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Friday, November 20th 2015, 4:47pm

Really struggled to find a good gun these last days. But i have found it. RT97C and just tap fire it. So good.

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Friday, November 20th 2015, 5:54pm

So apart from the cards that are independent from the blaster, is there a star card that is more beneficial to the slower blaster rifles than the fast firing ones or are those the only ones that synergize?

Only one I can think of is cooling cell one. Slower firing weapons tend to have less shots "in their clip" and spraying them can make them lethal. However this is just a wild thought brain threw at me.

How does the focus fire work specifically? Looking at it in the data browser I can see it looks like it reduces the min and max spread, SIPS and recoil too, but is it to a set value or a multiplier of the weapons stats?

"Mod" in the value's name usually stands for "Modifier", which is a multiplier on top of the original value.
Basically focused shot reduces all recoil and spread values to 10% of original, making anything dead-on accurate. Spread one is not that big of a change (many weapons are super accurate as it is) but reducing recoil really helps.
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Friday, November 20th 2015, 6:23pm

"Mod" in the value's name usually stands for "Modifier", which is a multiplier on top of the original value.
Basically focused shot reduces all recoil and spread values to 10% of original, making anything dead-on accurate. Spread one is not that big of a change (many weapons are super accurate as it is) but reducing recoil really helps.

Thought as much, thanks. Tried it earlier and it works great with the RT-97C, meant I could drop the pulse rifle I've been using to deal with numerous headglitchers I kept seeing on the Tatooine maps in particular.

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Friday, November 20th 2015, 6:32pm

Predicting RT-97C for meta.

Really struggled to find a good gun these last days. But i have found it. RT97C and just tap fire it. So good.

great with the RT-97C

Meta CONFIRMED
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Friday, November 20th 2015, 7:13pm

I believe I said focus fire works well with the RT-97C, not that it was my prefered weapon.

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Friday, November 20th 2015, 7:57pm

And if it did not work well, it could not be meta.
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Saturday, November 21st 2015, 12:12am

Predicting RT-97C for meta.

Really struggled to find a good gun these last days. But i have found it. RT97C and just tap fire it. So good.

great with the RT-97C

Meta CONFIRMED

Pls. LevelCap says DLT-19 is best gun. DLT-19 is meta.

DLT-19 Best Gun In Star Wars Battlefront? - YouTube
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

@Veritable
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But...
Wha...
I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.

FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.

In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.


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Saturday, November 21st 2015, 12:36am

Predicting RT-97C for meta.

Really struggled to find a good gun these last days. But i have found it. RT97C and just tap fire it. So good.

great with the RT-97C

Meta CONFIRMED

Pls. LevelCap says DLT-19 is best gun. DLT-19 is meta.

DLT-19 Best Gun In Star Wars Battlefront? - YouTube


Was in Beta and Alpha. Would not be surprised if he was making this video based on those impressions.
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Reddit and Konami will rewrite the records... And I will be demonized in human memory. But... The thirst for good gameplay that I have planted will infest MGO3. No one can stop it now. The Rebalance Mod will unleash that thirst unto the future.


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Saturday, November 21st 2015, 12:56am

At least until he looks here and starts pulling the stats and charts for his videos.

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Saturday, November 21st 2015, 12:59am

Can't we have a new rule that bans linking shit videos like those of levelcap? Pretty tired of seeing the constant "hey look, levelcap made another shitty video" No shit Sherlock.

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