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Saturday, August 29th 2015, 4:10pm

How easy should it be for people to purchase/access firearms?

Unlimited access to all weapons

Unlimited access to certain types of guns; license required for others

Easy-to-obtain license for all guns

Hard-to-obtain license for all guns

NO access to firearms

Some mixture of all of the above

In the vein of making a serious thread, what are y'all's opinions on gun control? This is one of the discussions that I wanted to have here because we have people from so many backgrounds but Rule12 prevented me from doing so.

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Saturday, August 29th 2015, 4:16pm

i don't ike how things are in the usa where basically any american that is barely 18 yo can get a gun without problems, but i hate even more how it is in italy where getting a gun license for hunting is extremely hard, and getting one for personal defence it's basically impossible, there should a mix of the two.(thus easy to get license, but still, a license, not just owning it like it was an airsoft gun)

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Saturday, August 29th 2015, 4:25pm

honestly, i think there should be a heavy restriction on handguns here in the usa. Probably never should have been made legal for civilians to own. Other than that, I think all the laws are in the right places. Even if they do make obtaining certain things unneccesarily difficult in very specific circumstances

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Saturday, August 29th 2015, 4:45pm

Why should anyone in the USA be interested in changing the gun control. Its EZ money to earn and the military is an enormous economical factor.

Beside if gun control would be made more difficult, its almost impossible to execute, due to the sheer amount of weapons. So many illegal weapons increase the fear in public and therefore the demand for Easy-to-obtain gun licenses increases. In the end it would be like nothing has changed.

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Saturday, August 29th 2015, 4:49pm

Let's ban pointy knives and broken glass also.

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Saturday, August 29th 2015, 4:54pm

If your country has a violence problem up to the point where firearms are deemed necessary as a form of 'self defense', while also creating a national hivemind of how public access to said weaponry is not a blatantly dangerous thing (!!!), the very last thing you need to be doing is to let licenses be given to any 18+ citizen and make ammo purchaseable in a supermarket.
Control of said weaponry, instead, should be the next step. Along with a national re-education of both policemen and citizens on how to act when you see someone is being assaulted.

The firearms aren't the problem, the people are. Especially the part where the people let their 'thresholds' (i.e. what do I do? Gotta fight back!) get lowered by the mass presence of firearms.

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Saturday, August 29th 2015, 4:56pm

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@iota ... Are you the one with a mental disability rent? In your case its of course difficult and I completely support that.

i am, but i wasn't talking about me, i was talking in general, apart from politics or people that have matters to do with law, i've never heard or seen someone with a personal defence gun permit, be it because people don't think it's needed(herp-a-derp, if i don't have a gun why would my attacker have one?) or -in the case of somewhat intelligent people- they just can't get one for various reasons.

in my case i probably won't even be able to ever hold a real gun in the first place, but honestly i'm fine in just using airsoft guns, as long as i can count on my tutors for proper defense, which would never happen with the actual gun laws present in italy*.

=or at least what i know about them.

italians are generally anti-guns because they get extremely affected by what gets filtered of the american news, so when a mass-shooting or isis stuff gets on our tv-news, people just get more and more anti-guns, the only good events that happened in the last 10 years iirc, is the one where an hunter saved the day at a bank robbery when he was returning home after a hunt.

our country never thinks something by themselves, they're just there looking at other countries saying "you shuld do this!!" "you do this? you shouldn't do that" "you do it like that? then we should as well!" so basically most of our laws really depends on what other countries deicde, and more importantly what we hear about those same countries trough TG1(rai news).

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If your country has a violence problem up to the point where firearms are deemed necessary as a form of 'self defense', while also creating a national hivemind of how public access to said weaponry is not a blatantly dangerous thing (!!!), the very last thing you need to be doing is to let licenses be given to any 18+ citizen and make ammo purchaseable in a supermarket.
Control of said weaponry, instead, should be the next step. Along with a national re-education of both policemen and citizens on how to act when you see someone is being assaulted.

The firearms aren't the problem, the people are. Especially the part where the people let their 'thresholds' (i.e. what do I do? Gotta fight back!) get lowered by the mass presence of firearms.

Well, America does have a police militarization problem (our police tends to get its hands on a lot of old Army hardware) which tends to make people paranoid. That said, a lot of people like having a police force that doesn't mind resorting to violence easily. In America, we view lawbreaking as something that requires punishment rather than something that warrants rehabilitation. I personally dislike this viewpoint but it's very pervasive, especially in the deep south.

Is that how crime and justice are viewed in the rest of the world?

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Let's ban pointy knives and broken glass also.

The issue with guns isn't that they can be used for a single murder--it's not too hard to use, say, a baseball bat to kill someone. The problem is that it is far more easier to perform muder sprees with guns than with other weapons. Point -> dead, point -> dead makes it far easier to kill large numbers of people than run up -> bludgeon for a minute, run up -> bludgeon for a minute.

The idea of a gun ban is more about avoiding large-scale violence than it is about stopping single murders.

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