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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 8:20pm

It got nicknamed the Casket (The thing the dead guy lies in at funerals, English isn't my first langauge)


For its appearance or because it typically ended up carrying dead people?

Partly because of the shape, also because the armor is so thin that most things penetrate it and the early models had the open roof so it was kinda easy to just drop in a grenade or molotov, especially in urban combat... ;o

Also extremely loud and cramped, especially after they added a roof to address the grenade issue...


It's better than nothing, but other than that... It's kinda shit ;o

Magically, no one has ever died in one of these, but they saved numerous lives in Congo

Yeah, though I'd put that more on tactics than the vehicle, only ~16 Swedes were lost in Kongo afaik, 7 to accidents, 2 missing, 7 in combat.

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 8:25pm

It got nicknamed the Casket (The thing the dead guy lies in at funerals, English isn't my first langauge)


For its appearance or because it typically ended up carrying dead people?

Partly because of the shape, also because the armor is so thin that most things penetrate it and the early models had the open roof so it was kinda easy to just drop in a grenade or molotov, especially in urban combat... ;o

Also extremely loud and cramped, especially after they added a roof to address the grenade issue...


It's better than nothing, but other than that... It's kinda shit ;o

Magically, no one has ever died in one of these, but they saved numerous lives in Congo

Yeah, though I'd put that more on tactics than the vehicle, only ~16 Swedes were lost in Kongo afaik, 7 to accidents, 2 missing, 7 in combat

Something like that, did you watch the documentary Kongoveteranerna on SVT1?
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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 8:28pm


Something like that, did you watch the documentary Kongoveteranerna on SVT1?

Yep

Looked up a bit about the casualties, there were several soldiers wounded inside the cars, so it's more luck that no one actually died ;o

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 8:29pm


Something like that, did you watch the documentary Kongoveteranerna on SVT1?

Yep

Looked up a bit about the casualties, there were several soldiers wounded inside the cars, so it's more luck that no one actually died ;o

''Luck'' Pfft, Swedish Medical Corps is what it's called xD
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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 8:39pm

''Luck'' Pfft, Swedish Medical Corps is what it's called xD

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 9:25pm

It got nicknamed the Casket
For its appearance or because it typically ended up carrying dead people?
Partly because of the shape, also because the armor is so thin that most things penetrate it and the early models had the open roof so it was kinda easy to just drop in a grenade or molotov, especially in urban combat... ;o
Sounds kinda like the nickname the Germans gave the M4 Sherman tank during World War II: "Ronson" (which used to be a cigarette lighter company), because after getting hit it'd "light the first time, every time."


The early versions of the Sherman anyway. which were still superior to the German Panzers(it was field guns that popped tanks). with the addition of wet storage, They didn't have a habit of exploding as easily.
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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 9:41pm

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I wouldn't say that the Sherman was better than the panzer. In a one-on-one fight most panzers had better armor (never mind the bigger gun) to the point that the Shermans needed to be at point-blank range to do anything. The Sherman's main strength (ditto Russian T33) was in numbers: they were a lot cheaper and easier to produce (on top of Germany's difficulty to produce things as the war dragged on) and it wasn't hard to overwhelm even a tiger with a good Zerg rush.
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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 10:13pm

@The World Champion
I wouldn't say that the Sherman was better than the panzer. In a one-on-one fight most panzers had better armor (never mind the bigger gun) to the point that the Shermans needed to be at point-blank range to do anything. The Sherman's main strength (ditto Russian T33) was in numbers: they were a lot cheaper and easier to produce (on top of Germany's difficulty to produce things as the war dragged on) and it wasn't hard to overwhelm even a tiger with a good Zerg rush.


You seem to be confusing Panzers with the Panthers and Tigers.

The Panzer Mark III and IVs were inferior to the M4 Sherman. The M4 was faster at 25 to 30mph when compared to the III's 12mph and IV's 16mph. M4 has thicker armor and a gyrostabilizer.

Everybody remembers the Tiger because it was big and scary, because it was big and scary. That was heavy tanks are, but it was The Panzer models that made up the bulk of German armor. The World Champion isn't saying they are terrible, but by the time the M4 Sherman rolled out in 1940, the Mark III was 5 years old which is a lifetime during war and was more than a match for the Mark IV.
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4 : a winner of first prize or first place in competition; also : one who shows marked superiority <The champion of the World>