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Tuesday, November 11th 2014, 10:42pm

On the topic of keyboards I'm using a Steel Series Merc Stealth. The gaming zone is awesome!

Wish it was mechanical though. I love blue switches. Thinking of getting a Ducky Mini just for a typing surface.
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Tuesday, November 11th 2014, 11:24pm

acceleration isn't even [...] desired in gaming

Exactly.

You should read up on sensors.

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 12:51am

acceleration isn't even [...] desired in gaming

Exactly.

You should read up on sensors.


Uhh. Care to elaborate a little more? I'm not about to go on a wild goose chase hunting for answers to questions I have no basis on nor know that I even have.

What am I missing? Because your comment is over my head.


Not bothering to hide my ignorance here, I'm no expert on PC related hardware, but you could stand to put a little more direction and effort into your "education".
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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 3:06am

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 3:25am

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The Tyon is an MMO mouse made for macros and shit, you sure you want that?
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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 3:41am

Yeah. Everyone does.



Something needs a cleaning/scrubbing.
Apparently we do have a facebook... You should go ahead and like it

Oh look and a twitter... Yeah follow us there too pls

If only people would talk back it wouldn't be so lonely.[In B4 I get overwhelmed]


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intel best ethernet controllers


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I know I shouldn't be surprised that something like that even exists but.... 8|


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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 3:44am

I used to have a so called "flawless" mouse (correct s/n G400). I now have an M95 that supposedly isn't "flawless" I can't tell the difference but the added buttons, better DPI control and super shape for my particular grip make it work better for me overall.

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 4:58am

Logitech's G502 is THE best sensor on the market right now - period. It seriously makes everyone else's implementation look like trash. absolutely no acceleration at any dpi level, any speed. don't buy into the stupid "press" reviews of mice - none of them even do an acceleration/tracking test
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Logitech G502 Proteus Core Gaming Mouse review - by Ino


the only reason not to go with a g502 is if it's too heavy for you or doesn't fit you comfortably

as for keyboard, CM Storm keyboards are where the value ends - there's a big overpriced/overhyped/flashycrap gap (esp that stupid Corsair K70 RGB) with mechanical keyboards until Ducky/topre/realforce/etc when you go above the price point of CM Storm keyboards

I personally think the Razer Orbweaver is ergonomically superior, but trying to talk people off of a WASD keyboard is something I gave up on a while ago. All I'll say is - all you "PCMasterRace" people...console users accomplish all movement with a single thumb - yet you use 3 fingers that also have to handle the tasks of reloading/spotting/switching weapons/nades/etc???? ;) think about it......(and then you can get a keyboard with switches purely for typing)

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Wednesday, November 12th 2014, 11:05am

I'm not about to go on a wild goose chase

I don't mind elaborating. I simply meant that there are popular sites/forums devoted to everything hardware related that have many topics on the subject.

Basically, the great majority of the sensors on the market have acceleration (positive or negative), angle snapping, frequency issues, jitter, surface-dependant tracking issues, etc. Provided that you choose the right surface for your mouse (which would be a cloth/hybrid pad, given the major downsides of hard surfaces), you can easily avoid tracking issues and most jitter. Frequency issues are a bit overstated. However, you're still left with flaws inherent to the sensor itself. Some brands put emphasis on things noone needs, like insane max DPI levels or whatever, regardless of other areas in which the sensor equipped on their mice might underperform.

With the rise in popularity of e-sports, brands have been making a bigger effort to cater to players in meaningful ways. That's why brands like Roccat, Razer, and Steelseries released mice like the Savu, the 2013 DA, and the Rival. These don't do 16k DPI, God knows how many millions of colors on LED's, and whatever else is superfluous. What they do have, though, are no-nonsense sensors like the Avago 3090 and 3310 that progress in key areas like max perfect tracking speed, LoD, and tracking consistency. Considering they're either similarly priced or cheaper, there's really no reason to buy a worse sensor. You can find a model or two from each brand nowadays with a good sensor.

the only reason not to go with a g502 is if it's too heavy for you or doesn't fit you comfortably

That's where the Zowie FK1 comes in. It has the same sensor and weighs only 90 grams (compared to the G502's 132 grams).

Since you're at it...
http://www.overclock.net/t/1500615/zowie…e-review-by-ino

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Thursday, November 13th 2014, 2:26am

I don't mind elaborating. I simply meant that there are popular sites/forums devoted to everything hardware related that have many topics on the subject.

Basically, the great majority of the sensors on the market have acceleration (positive or negative), angle snapping, frequency issues, jitter, surface-dependant tracking issues, etc. Provided that you choose the right surface for your mouse (which would be a cloth/hybrid pad, given the major downsides of hard surfaces), you can easily avoid tracking issues and most jitter. Frequency issues are a bit overstated. However, you're still left with flaws inherent to the sensor itself. Some brands put emphasis on things noone needs, like insane max DPI levels or whatever, regardless of other areas in which the sensor equipped on their mice might underperform.

With the rise in popularity of e-sports, brands have been making a bigger effort to cater to players in meaningful ways. That's why brands like Roccat, Razer, and Steelseries released mice like the Savu, the 2013 DA, and the Rival. These don't do 16k DPI, God knows how many millions of colors on LED's, and whatever else is superfluous. What they do have, though, are no-nonsense sensors like the Avago 3090 and 3310 that progress in key areas like max perfect tracking speed, LoD, and tracking consistency. Considering they're either similarly priced or cheaper, there's really no reason to buy a worse sensor. You can find a model or two from each brand nowadays with a good sensor.


So the sensors themselves have native acceleration? I would never have thought. That's kind of weird, I thought it'd all be in interpretation.

I'm honestly surprised that more companies don't give you a choice when it comes to sensor. Much like how the same keyboards can be had with a multitude of different switches, mice should have more than a few sensors to choose from.
That being said, I still am quite satisfied with my mouse. To me the features of the mouse were more important than the sensor itself. I use a good surface, and for the casual gaming I do I've never noticed any sort of inconstancy, errors, or jitter, and the Roccat software suite and mouse design is superb. I can overlook a less than perfect sensor for that...


Thanks for the detailed reply, I was worried my comment would be interpreted as me being a smart-ass or something rather than just digging. :thumbup:
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