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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 11:52pm

>Finally post decent sig material
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Monday, January 27th 2014, 11:37pm

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*On Langcang CQ-L, near E*
Versts (typing): C?
Me (typing): Ok
Versts: Drive?
*I sit there for a second before getting in the nearby buggy, Versts looks at me confused before getting in too*
Me (Over VOIP suddenly): TO THE OCEAN! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*I Drive us straight into the sea with zero fucks given, we get about halfway there before getting auto-dumped out the car, we swim to C*
Versts: Can't stop laughing xD

That was the single greatest moment of tonight's entire session :thumbsup:

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Tuesday, January 28th 2014, 12:08am

@3VerstsNorth

*On Langcang CQ-L, near E*
Versts (typing): C?
Me (typing): Ok
Versts: Drive?
*I sit there for a second before getting in the nearby buggy, Versts looks at me confused before getting in too*
Me (Over VOIP suddenly): TO THE OCEAN! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*I Drive us straight into the sea with zero fucks given, we get about halfway there before getting auto-dumped out the car, we swim to C*
Versts: Can't stop laughing xD

That was the single greatest moment of tonight's entire session :thumbsup:

Among the single greatest moments of all my laughs in the 124.5 hours of BF4.

Before all this, I see Viper running around, grab a jeep, pick him up, and plan to go the marked objective. [thinking Viper still was the squad leader, which he was not] I ask "C?", as in "U kidding me? We ain't gonna drive this jeep over to that island".

He did, almost :D .
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Tuesday, January 28th 2014, 12:12am

@3VerstsNorth

*On Langcang CQ-L, near E*
Versts (typing): C?
Me (typing): Ok
Versts: Drive?
*I sit there for a second before getting in the nearby buggy, Versts looks at me confused before getting in too*
Me (Over VOIP suddenly): TO THE OCEAN! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*I Drive us straight into the sea with zero fucks given, we get about halfway there before getting auto-dumped out the car, we swim to C*
Versts: Can't stop laughing xD

That was the single greatest moment of tonight's entire session :thumbsup:

Among the single greatest moments of all my laughs in the 124.5 hours of BF4.

Before all this, I see Viper running around, grab a jeep, pick him up, and plan to go the marked objective. [thinking Viper still was the squad leader, which he was not] I ask "C?", as in "U kidding me? We ain't gonna drive this jeep over to that island".

He did, almost :D .


We were SOOOO close! Y'know what? Next time we're on Langcang together remind me of this moment and I'll get a bigger run up this time :thumbsup:

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Tuesday, January 28th 2014, 8:29pm

Logged onto XBL, joined a party, right in the middle of your typical religion vs. science debate. As someone who likes to play devil's advocate, I decided to wait before picking a side and then, well, stuff happened. I was only half-paying attention early on, the earlier parts are reconstructed to the best of my memory. The real fun starts at the conspiracy bit.

Wall of text


<enters party, catches up on what's going on>
1--So you're telling me we all came from monkeys? Then how come monkeys still exist?
2--It's like ecosystems. They still have a role in the environment.
1--That's bulls***. You only need two or three kinds of animals and everything works just fine.
Me--I'm not sure about that, just look at how complicated food chains are.
1--But nature would adapt.
2--Evolve?
1--No, idiot, like figure out that it'd work.
Me--But isn't that-
1--No, it's different.
2--This isn't going to go anywhere. Just keep going.
1--And evolution supposedly takes place over thousands of years. You can't observe that. You can't prove that.
2--We have sketches and old studies of animals.
Me--Yeah, but those run into the same problems as the Bible. They're old, you can't prove that they're not faked.
1--But the Bible's not fake.
Me--That wasn't my point.
2--<thinking>Okay, I kind of see what you mean.
Me--But on the other hand, you can observe evolution in bacterial colonies.
1--No you can't.
Me--Look up the research. It exists.
1--But you don't have a thousand years to observe.
Me--Evolution is a generational thing, bacteria have shorter lifespans.
2--Yeah, it just takes time to observe in humans because we live f***ing forever.
Me--Well, technically, age of reproduction matters most, but then we're arguing semantics.
1--Who thought of science? Some a**hole just decided to come up with a gimmick that disproves all religions.
Me--Some religions are compatible with scientific beliefs, or propose answers as to why science conflicts.
2--Yeah, there's that flying spaghetti monster religion.
Me--Pastafarianism. Started as a protest to evolution being taught in science classrooms. Erm, wait, reverse that, I can't English. Creationism was being taught in classrooms and it started as a protest.
1--As in, a fake religion that exists just to not have holes for science to kill it? What douchebag thought of that one?
2--I dunno. But it makes sense.
1--There can't be a serious pasta-whatever-ian. It's a fake religion, someone just came up with it.
Me--I know a serious pastafarian.
2--Erm, anyways, isn't that how most religions start?
1--All of them but Christianity, Christianity was started by God.
2--Can you prove it?
1--The Bible says so.
Me--Ever so coincidentally, the Loose Canon (the religious text for Pastafarianism) suggests that the FSM was responsible for the creation of his religion. I think that all religions claim their own authenticity.
2--Isn't that redundant? I'm right because I'm right, or something like that?
Me--Well, it depends on who you trust. And that's where religion is a faith-based thing.
1--Yep. But science is the same. You need faith for that.
Me--Hmm, give me a second. I'm going to paraphrase a bit. From a book by Neal Stephenson. "Orolo couldn't bring himself to be religious. The more he learned of his own consciousness, the less capable he was of understanding religions. In his eyes, all of the miracles claimed by religious people were of no consequence when compared to evolution."
2--So evolution is a miracle? Claimed by science rather than any religion?
Me--The biggest miracle in the history of the universe, that was the idea. But on another note, religion has a function in society with regards to building communities and creating in-groups where there weren't any before.
2--So you're saying it's useful.
Me--Well, until we replace organized religion with the International Cat Lover's Club.
1--I don't get the Big Bang. Isn't that a religious event? All of the matter in the universe created at once? Isn't that just like how God created the world?
2--Nope, that's not it. Common misconception. The big bang says that all of the matter in the universe just happened to be at the same point in space at some point in time.
1--And then it exploded.
Me--Yep.
1--But you can't prove this.
2--It's a theory that makes sense. Call it a day.
Me--Well, you kind of can. Background radiation, look up the research if you're curious.
1--Then where did the matter come from?
2--We don't know. Maybe it was always here. When did time start? Who knows?
Me--That's where religions have some leeway. Where DID the matter that makes up the universe come from? Buddhism claims that the matter of the universe came from a previous universe. My beliefs are somewhat similar.
1--And where did that one come from?
2--Well, we don't know. Science is still trying to figure that one out.
1--Then it can't be right. Scientists claim to know everything.
Me--Not in this case. Look up something called the "critical mass ratio of the universe." We don't know. Scientists don't know everything, only what they can prove.
<basically, we don't know if the universe is going to collapse in on itself or keep expanding and our instruments aren't good enough to figure it out>
1--Whatever. Then they're stupid. What about morality?
Me--As someone who's religious but not part of an organized religion, I have my own view of morality. You can have moral views that aren't decided by other people.
1--But they're different from other people's views. Isn't that bad?
Me--Well, just in my case, most religions point at my particular views. So, in a sense, I have really similar moral views to most people, but they're in a more pure and simplified form.
1--Okay, I can understand that. But can an atheist do that?
2--I'm not a murderer, if that's what you're getting at. You have to have some sense of morality to function in society.
1--So religion is necessary.
Me--So something to instill morals is necessary. Socialization will do that. Non-religious parenting can do that. It doesn't have to be a particular religion.
1--But then you're pinning someone getting the right values on luck.
Me--There isn't a set of right values. Matching those of another, yes.
1--Hmm. So, do you believe in coincidence?
Me--Oh, here we go.
2--Yeah, why not?
1--It just seems so unlikely to me.
2--What, that a random event just happens to happen?
1--Yeah, it doesn't work.
2--What, there's no such thing as randomness?
1--Nope.
Me--Well, Einstein always did say that quantum mechanics was, as he put it, 'spooky.' "God doesn't play dice," if I recall correctly.
1--See, even Einstein didn't like coincidence.
2--Did you just-?
Me--Yes, I know, ignore it. The problem is that evolution is anthropic. Basically, you see the world as it is because you're seeing it. Long story short, the anthropic principle is that the universe supports life as we know it because we're life as we know it. It's observational bias.
2--The same applies here?
Me--Yeah.
1--Whatever. I'll give you that point. <starts getting annoyed> But science is a religion of sorts.
2--How?
1--In the sense that you have to have faith to believe in it.
Me--You mean, like you have to trust your instrumentation, believe that the fundamentals work, that one plus one equals two, etc.? If that's what you mean, I can see the comparison.
1--No, not at all. You have to have faith in that science wasn't invented just to disprove religion with logic.
2--Um, what?
1--You have to have faith that science isn't a giant conspiracy that exists just to destroy the Bible, you have to have faith that the guy who just up and invented religion didn't just decide to be a total dickwad to invent it, and more importantly, you have to have faith that you aren't a**holes for believing him.
2--Again, what?
1--Science is a conspiracy that exists just to destroy religion! You're all lying to try and test me! Every scientist in the world is part of this conspiracy! They're all lying to us! Wake up and smell the coffee! It all makes perfect sense! And it exists because some a**hole wanted to be a dickwad and disprove religion!
Me--Let me get this straight--logic itself is an attempt to prove Christianity wrong?
1--Yes! It's the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world! It's nothing more than that! Reason itself is nonsense!
2--Did he just...uh, Nick?
Me--Yes. <at this point I started laughing>
2--Did you hear...?
Me--I'm muting myself, I'll be back.

I laughed so hard I cried. And I forgot to mute myself. And 1 heard all of it. He was really annoyed when I came back. Shortly after, our conversation switched to the topic of paranoia, why 1 always carried a knife with him, and what it meant to be functional in society. After about five minutes in this new conversation, he just randomly left. I had another good laugh at that.

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Tuesday, January 28th 2014, 8:50pm

Logged onto XBL, joined a party, right in the middle of your typical religion vs. science debate. As someone who likes to play devil's advocate, I decided to wait before picking a side and then, well, stuff happened. I was only half-paying attention early on, the earlier parts are reconstructed to the best of my memory. The real fun starts at the conspiracy bit.

Wall of text


<enters party, catches up on what's going on>
1--So you're telling me we all came from monkeys? Then how come monkeys still exist?
2--It's like ecosystems. They still have a role in the environment.
1--That's bulls***. You only need two or three kinds of animals and everything works just fine.
Me--I'm not sure about that, just look at how complicated food chains are.
1--But nature would adapt.
2--Evolve?
1--No, idiot, like figure out that it'd work.
Me--But isn't that-
1--No, it's different.
2--This isn't going to go anywhere. Just keep going.
1--And evolution supposedly takes place over thousands of years. You can't observe that. You can't prove that.
2--We have sketches and old studies of animals.
Me--Yeah, but those run into the same problems as the Bible. They're old, you can't prove that they're not faked.
1--But the Bible's not fake.
Me--That wasn't my point.
2--<thinking>Okay, I kind of see what you mean.
Me--But on the other hand, you can observe evolution in bacterial colonies.
1--No you can't.
Me--Look up the research. It exists.
1--But you don't have a thousand years to observe.
Me--Evolution is a generational thing, bacteria have shorter lifespans.
2--Yeah, it just takes time to observe in humans because we live f***ing forever.
Me--Well, technically, age of reproduction matters most, but then we're arguing semantics.
1--Who thought of science? Some a**hole just decided to come up with a gimmick that disproves all religions.
Me--Some religions are compatible with scientific beliefs, or propose answers as to why science conflicts.
2--Yeah, there's that flying spaghetti monster religion.
Me--Pastafarianism. Started as a protest to evolution being taught in science classrooms. Erm, wait, reverse that, I can't English. Creationism was being taught in classrooms and it started as a protest.
1--As in, a fake religion that exists just to not have holes for science to kill it? What douchebag thought of that one?
2--I dunno. But it makes sense.
1--There can't be a serious pasta-whatever-ian. It's a fake religion, someone just came up with it.
Me--I know a serious pastafarian.
2--Erm, anyways, isn't that how most religions start?
1--All of them but Christianity, Christianity was started by God.
2--Can you prove it?
1--The Bible says so.
Me--Ever so coincidentally, the Loose Canon (the religious text for Pastafarianism) suggests that the FSM was responsible for the creation of his religion. I think that all religions claim their own authenticity.
2--Isn't that redundant? I'm right because I'm right, or something like that?
Me--Well, it depends on who you trust. And that's where religion is a faith-based thing.
1--Yep. But science is the same. You need faith for that.
Me--Hmm, give me a second. I'm going to paraphrase a bit. From a book by Neal Stephenson. "Orolo couldn't bring himself to be religious. The more he learned of his own consciousness, the less capable he was of understanding religions. In his eyes, all of the miracles claimed by religious people were of no consequence when compared to evolution."
2--So evolution is a miracle? Claimed by science rather than any religion?
Me--The biggest miracle in the history of the universe, that was the idea. But on another note, religion has a function in society with regards to building communities and creating in-groups where there weren't any before.
2--So you're saying it's useful.
Me--Well, until we replace organized religion with the International Cat Lover's Club.
1--I don't get the Big Bang. Isn't that a religious event? All of the matter in the universe created at once? Isn't that just like how God created the world?
2--Nope, that's not it. Common misconception. The big bang says that all of the matter in the universe just happened to be at the same point in space at some point in time.
1--And then it exploded.
Me--Yep.
1--But you can't prove this.
2--It's a theory that makes sense. Call it a day.
Me--Well, you kind of can. Background radiation, look up the research if you're curious.
1--Then where did the matter come from?
2--We don't know. Maybe it was always here. When did time start? Who knows?
Me--That's where religions have some leeway. Where DID the matter that makes up the universe come from? Buddhism claims that the matter of the universe came from a previous universe. My beliefs are somewhat similar.
1--And where did that one come from?
2--Well, we don't know. Science is still trying to figure that one out.
1--Then it can't be right. Scientists claim to know everything.
Me--Not in this case. Look up something called the "critical mass ratio of the universe." We don't know. Scientists don't know everything, only what they can prove.
<basically, we don't know if the universe is going to collapse in on itself or keep expanding and our instruments aren't good enough to figure it out>
1--Whatever. Then they're stupid. What about morality?
Me--As someone who's religious but not part of an organized religion, I have my own view of morality. You can have moral views that aren't decided by other people.
1--But they're different from other people's views. Isn't that bad?
Me--Well, just in my case, most religions point at my particular views. So, in a sense, I have really similar moral views to most people, but they're in a more pure and simplified form.
1--Okay, I can understand that. But can an atheist do that?
2--I'm not a murderer, if that's what you're getting at. You have to have some sense of morality to function in society.
1--So religion is necessary.
Me--So something to instill morals is necessary. Socialization will do that. Non-religious parenting can do that. It doesn't have to be a particular religion.
1--But then you're pinning someone getting the right values on luck.
Me--There isn't a set of right values. Matching those of another, yes.
1--Hmm. So, do you believe in coincidence?
Me--Oh, here we go.
2--Yeah, why not?
1--It just seems so unlikely to me.
2--What, that a random event just happens to happen?
1--Yeah, it doesn't work.
2--What, there's no such thing as randomness?
1--Nope.
Me--Well, Einstein always did say that quantum mechanics was, as he put it, 'spooky.' "God doesn't play dice," if I recall correctly.
1--See, even Einstein didn't like coincidence.
2--Did you just-?
Me--Yes, I know, ignore it. The problem is that evolution is anthropic. Basically, you see the world as it is because you're seeing it. Long story short, the anthropic principle is that the universe supports life as we know it because we're life as we know it. It's observational bias.
2--The same applies here?
Me--Yeah.
1--Whatever. I'll give you that point. <starts getting annoyed> But science is a religion of sorts.
2--How?
1--In the sense that you have to have faith to believe in it.
Me--You mean, like you have to trust your instrumentation, believe that the fundamentals work, that one plus one equals two, etc.? If that's what you mean, I can see the comparison.
1--No, not at all. You have to have faith in that science wasn't invented just to disprove religion with logic.
2--Um, what?
1--You have to have faith that science isn't a giant conspiracy that exists just to destroy the Bible, you have to have faith that the guy who just up and invented religion didn't just decide to be a total dickwad to invent it, and more importantly, you have to have faith that you aren't a**holes for believing him.
2--Again, what?
1--Science is a conspiracy that exists just to destroy religion! You're all lying to try and test me! Every scientist in the world is part of this conspiracy! They're all lying to us! Wake up and smell the coffee! It all makes perfect sense! And it exists because some a**hole wanted to be a dickwad and disprove religion!
Me--Let me get this straight--logic itself is an attempt to prove Christianity wrong?
1--Yes! It's the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world! It's nothing more than that! Reason itself is nonsense!
2--Did he just...uh, Nick?
Me--Yes. <at this point I started laughing>
2--Did you hear...?
Me--I'm muting myself, I'll be back.

I laughed so hard I cried. And I forgot to mute myself. And 1 heard all of it. He was really annoyed when I came back. Shortly after, our conversation switched to the topic of paranoia, why 1 always carried a knife with him, and what it meant to be functional in society. After about five minutes in this new conversation, he just randomly left. I had another good laugh at that.

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Man, that's better than what I had expected.

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Wednesday, January 29th 2014, 3:37am

Logged onto XBL, joined a party, right in the middle of your typical religion vs. science debate. As someone who likes to play devil's advocate, I decided to wait before picking a side and then, well, stuff happened. I was only half-paying attention early on, the earlier parts are reconstructed to the best of my memory. The real fun starts at the conspiracy bit.

Wall of text


<enters party, catches up on what's going on>
1--So you're telling me we all came from monkeys? Then how come monkeys still exist?
2--It's like ecosystems. They still have a role in the environment.
1--That's bulls***. You only need two or three kinds of animals and everything works just fine.
Me--I'm not sure about that, just look at how complicated food chains are.
1--But nature would adapt.
2--Evolve?
1--No, idiot, like figure out that it'd work.
Me--But isn't that-
1--No, it's different.
2--This isn't going to go anywhere. Just keep going.
1--And evolution supposedly takes place over thousands of years. You can't observe that. You can't prove that.
2--We have sketches and old studies of animals.
Me--Yeah, but those run into the same problems as the Bible. They're old, you can't prove that they're not faked.
1--But the Bible's not fake.
Me--That wasn't my point.
2--<thinking>Okay, I kind of see what you mean.
Me--But on the other hand, you can observe evolution in bacterial colonies.
1--No you can't.
Me--Look up the research. It exists.
1--But you don't have a thousand years to observe.
Me--Evolution is a generational thing, bacteria have shorter lifespans.
2--Yeah, it just takes time to observe in humans because we live f***ing forever.
Me--Well, technically, age of reproduction matters most, but then we're arguing semantics.
1--Who thought of science? Some a**hole just decided to come up with a gimmick that disproves all religions.
Me--Some religions are compatible with scientific beliefs, or propose answers as to why science conflicts.
2--Yeah, there's that flying spaghetti monster religion.
Me--Pastafarianism. Started as a protest to evolution being taught in science classrooms. Erm, wait, reverse that, I can't English. Creationism was being taught in classrooms and it started as a protest.
1--As in, a fake religion that exists just to not have holes for science to kill it? What douchebag thought of that one?
2--I dunno. But it makes sense.
1--There can't be a serious pasta-whatever-ian. It's a fake religion, someone just came up with it.
Me--I know a serious pastafarian.
2--Erm, anyways, isn't that how most religions start?
1--All of them but Christianity, Christianity was started by God.
2--Can you prove it?
1--The Bible says so.
Me--Ever so coincidentally, the Loose Canon (the religious text for Pastafarianism) suggests that the FSM was responsible for the creation of his religion. I think that all religions claim their own authenticity.
2--Isn't that redundant? I'm right because I'm right, or something like that?
Me--Well, it depends on who you trust. And that's where religion is a faith-based thing.
1--Yep. But science is the same. You need faith for that.
Me--Hmm, give me a second. I'm going to paraphrase a bit. From a book by Neal Stephenson. "Orolo couldn't bring himself to be religious. The more he learned of his own consciousness, the less capable he was of understanding religions. In his eyes, all of the miracles claimed by religious people were of no consequence when compared to evolution."
2--So evolution is a miracle? Claimed by science rather than any religion?
Me--The biggest miracle in the history of the universe, that was the idea. But on another note, religion has a function in society with regards to building communities and creating in-groups where there weren't any before.
2--So you're saying it's useful.
Me--Well, until we replace organized religion with the International Cat Lover's Club.
1--I don't get the Big Bang. Isn't that a religious event? All of the matter in the universe created at once? Isn't that just like how God created the world?
2--Nope, that's not it. Common misconception. The big bang says that all of the matter in the universe just happened to be at the same point in space at some point in time.
1--And then it exploded.
Me--Yep.
1--But you can't prove this.
2--It's a theory that makes sense. Call it a day.
Me--Well, you kind of can. Background radiation, look up the research if you're curious.
1--Then where did the matter come from?
2--We don't know. Maybe it was always here. When did time start? Who knows?
Me--That's where religions have some leeway. Where DID the matter that makes up the universe come from? Buddhism claims that the matter of the universe came from a previous universe. My beliefs are somewhat similar.
1--And where did that one come from?
2--Well, we don't know. Science is still trying to figure that one out.
1--Then it can't be right. Scientists claim to know everything.
Me--Not in this case. Look up something called the "critical mass ratio of the universe." We don't know. Scientists don't know everything, only what they can prove.
<basically, we don't know if the universe is going to collapse in on itself or keep expanding and our instruments aren't good enough to figure it out>
1--Whatever. Then they're stupid. What about morality?
Me--As someone who's religious but not part of an organized religion, I have my own view of morality. You can have moral views that aren't decided by other people.
1--But they're different from other people's views. Isn't that bad?
Me--Well, just in my case, most religions point at my particular views. So, in a sense, I have really similar moral views to most people, but they're in a more pure and simplified form.
1--Okay, I can understand that. But can an atheist do that?
2--I'm not a murderer, if that's what you're getting at. You have to have some sense of morality to function in society.
1--So religion is necessary.
Me--So something to instill morals is necessary. Socialization will do that. Non-religious parenting can do that. It doesn't have to be a particular religion.
1--But then you're pinning someone getting the right values on luck.
Me--There isn't a set of right values. Matching those of another, yes.
1--Hmm. So, do you believe in coincidence?
Me--Oh, here we go.
2--Yeah, why not?
1--It just seems so unlikely to me.
2--What, that a random event just happens to happen?
1--Yeah, it doesn't work.
2--What, there's no such thing as randomness?
1--Nope.
Me--Well, Einstein always did say that quantum mechanics was, as he put it, 'spooky.' "God doesn't play dice," if I recall correctly.
1--See, even Einstein didn't like coincidence.
2--Did you just-?
Me--Yes, I know, ignore it. The problem is that evolution is anthropic. Basically, you see the world as it is because you're seeing it. Long story short, the anthropic principle is that the universe supports life as we know it because we're life as we know it. It's observational bias.
2--The same applies here?
Me--Yeah.
1--Whatever. I'll give you that point. <starts getting annoyed> But science is a religion of sorts.
2--How?
1--In the sense that you have to have faith to believe in it.
Me--You mean, like you have to trust your instrumentation, believe that the fundamentals work, that one plus one equals two, etc.? If that's what you mean, I can see the comparison.
1--No, not at all. You have to have faith in that science wasn't invented just to disprove religion with logic.
2--Um, what?
1--You have to have faith that science isn't a giant conspiracy that exists just to destroy the Bible, you have to have faith that the guy who just up and invented religion didn't just decide to be a total dickwad to invent it, and more importantly, you have to have faith that you aren't a**holes for believing him.
2--Again, what?
1--Science is a conspiracy that exists just to destroy religion! You're all lying to try and test me! Every scientist in the world is part of this conspiracy! They're all lying to us! Wake up and smell the coffee! It all makes perfect sense! And it exists because some a**hole wanted to be a dickwad and disprove religion!
Me--Let me get this straight--logic itself is an attempt to prove Christianity wrong?
1--Yes! It's the biggest conspiracy in the history of the world! It's nothing more than that! Reason itself is nonsense!
2--Did he just...uh, Nick?
Me--Yes. <at this point I started laughing>
2--Did you hear...?
Me--I'm muting myself, I'll be back.

I laughed so hard I cried. And I forgot to mute myself. And 1 heard all of it. He was really annoyed when I came back. Shortly after, our conversation switched to the topic of paranoia, why 1 always carried a knife with him, and what it meant to be functional in society. After about five minutes in this new conversation, he just randomly left. I had another good laugh at that.

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Man, that's better than what I had expected.

lol/10

and that's where logic fails:you can't prove logic by using logic is omone goes beyond reasons to believe in something,so basically,just let him read from chapter 16 to 18 of metro 2033.
up to nw,it's probably the best thing i've ever read that explains how religions work,what happens to society,morality and ethic in certain in situations and other interesting things,those 2 chapters focus on fake religions and stuff like that.


and yes,that conversation was interesting but the ending was simply lol.
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