Quoted from "LeGarcon"

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

Quoted from "Rezal"

intel best ethernet controllers

Quoted from "Rezal"

ammo regen pls

Quoted from "tehmoriz"

TL;DR: all vehicles in BF4 are screwed up in some way or another.

Quoted from "Aenonar"

I know I shouldn't be surprised that something like that even exists but....

Quoted from "NoctyrneSAGA"

You're just a spreadsheet baddie.

Quoted from "Spectacle"

I once tried to burn a bridge, but due to the half-assed levolution implementation it kept standing up just fine.

Quoted from "DeathOfTheDodo"

Compared to the MTAR, the PDR has the TTK of your average pack of cigarettes.

Quoted from "The World Champion"

"Oh don't mind me, I'm just out of ammo and I'll just POCKET SUN!!!!"

Quoted from "Sheepnub"

What can't be changed can be banned.

Quoted from "Gummybear"

I'm completely serious. Well, seriously insane actually

Quoted from "xESxMaver1ck911"

If only more people left the wheel chair, adjustable hospital bed, and crutches behind and played HC. (aka Regen, Minimap, Killcam)

Quoted from "hunturk"

Natalia Poklonskaya:
Putin the cute in prosecute since 2014.

Quoted from "DeathOfTheDodo"

I can't look at my own avatar without having to pee. GG Me. GG.

Quoted from "DeathOfTheDodo"

I swear to god if you reply with a picture of the AEK I'll mail you a buttplug shaped like one.

Quoted from "Nick 30075"

The one time when "it's only three inches" is a good thing.

Quoted from "MsMuchLove"

Quoted from "RRR3186"

How do you guys control your FAMAS burst length since it fires its mag in just 1,5 seconds))

I consider each magazine a burst. :/

Quoted from "ViperFTW"

This is Symthic, we don't do "feels" around here

Quoted from "LeGarcon"

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

Quoted from "Rezal"

intel best ethernet controllers

Quoted from "Rezal"

ammo regen pls

Quoted from "tehmoriz"

TL;DR: all vehicles in BF4 are screwed up in some way or another.

Quoted from "Aenonar"

I know I shouldn't be surprised that something like that even exists but....

Quoted from "NoctyrneSAGA"

You're just a spreadsheet baddie.

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Quoted from "Veritable"

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Quoted from "Zer0Cod3x"

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Quoted from "Veritable"

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

@Veritable
@Zer0Cod3x
I... I...
But...
Wha...
I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.

FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.

In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.