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CobaltRose

I'll be there... around every corner... in every empty room...

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 5:24pm

- Eliminates 'pushing' through the frontlines to reach enemy territory, resulting in an extremely chaotic situation due to all the "random" parachuters. As well as the dissatisfaction of conquering and then seeing someone parachute in from halfway across the map.
- Near exponentially increases the amount of angles ground units can get shot from.
- The supposed counters (xm25, ucav, etc) are not real counters as they usually can't reach high enough, unless you're in a higher elevated area (in which case, you'll be the 'invincible' one.
- Vehicle superiority is the main determinant factor in deciding whether the rooftop campers can stay there or not. Whatever team has the helicopters, and which are willing to decimate the rooftop campers, will have the advantage.
- Pulls the gameplay away from strategy and objectives, and replaces it with a need to get onto one or two rooftops to parachute and engage from.

Overall results in an extremely unpleasant scenario for the 'receiver', rather than creating a challenge to beat. There are next to no actually viable methods to get the enemies of the rooftop. And whatever they will come up with, they will see, and get shot by, enemies in seemingly 'random' places along with the rooftop itself.
It is chaotic, it feels extremely unfair, it ruins gameflow, and it's generally simply not fun.

Just look at (CQ&rush) dawnbreaker and (CQ) siege of shanghai. Or, heaven forbid, obliteration. You are not working angles, you're not strategically capturing areas. You are trying to either capture flags by running around trying to dodge bullets/rockets from the sky, or you're sitting on another rooftop (or airdropping from aircraft) to try and get the enemies off theirs.

I'm not sure whether that sounded "whiney" at all, but I see it as a blatantly horrible part of the game's design.
Surely someone could name all this in a more fancy manner, but eh.
I'd have to tailor a few things, and of course there's the issue of how to deal with Shanghai's levolution skyscraper (suicide nets, maybe?), but I can work with this.

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I once tried to burn a bridge, but due to the half-assed levolution implementation it kept standing up just fine.

Compared to the MTAR, the PDR has the TTK of your average pack of cigarettes.

The World Champion, on the Tactical Light:
"Oh don't mind me, I'm just out of ammo and I'll just POCKET SUN!!!!"

What can't be changed can be banned.

I'm completely serious. Well, seriously insane actually :P

If only more people left the wheel chair, adjustable hospital bed, and crutches behind and played HC. (aka Regen, Minimap, Killcam)

Natalia Poklonskaya:
Putin the cute in prosecute since 2014.

I can't look at my own avatar without having to pee. GG Me. GG.

I swear to god if you reply with a picture of the AEK I'll mail you a buttplug shaped like one.

The one time when "it's only three inches" is a good thing.

How do you guys control your FAMAS burst length since it fires its mag in just 1,5 seconds))
I consider each magazine a burst. :/

This is Symthic, we don't do "feels" around here ;)



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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 5:28pm

Also the rent is only liek 800?

over the past few days i've been surprised even more by the conception of "poor" "cheap" "rich" and "pricey" of people oversea, so i don't know if i should take this as sarcasm or fucked up truth.

also how come saunas seem to be a standard there?

talk about culture shock...

Errr overseas? We are on the same continent :v (Italy and Finland). I figure we're not so densily populated which brings down the prices. Also living in capital or even close to it quickly rises the rents to borderline overkill levels, depending on what kind of apartment you want.

Also yes, saunas almost in every non-flat house and nowadays they seem to be even adding saunas to expensive flat apartments. Every apartment has access to sauna but I am talking about private sauna in your apartment that's only for you.
Edit: According to "Statistics Finland" there are more saunas than houses where you can legally live. Approx 2 million saunas, but only ~1.3 million houses.



COFFbalticseaCOFF

i don't know, i just feel like 800 for a 3 persons apartment is extremely high, i live in a a 3rd level city(capital->region capital->province town->etc) in the middle of the city, and for a 4 persons house(110meters iirc) we pay around 500

lol, saunas... guess that's like the bidet-trauma italians have when they go on vacations.
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bf4
on 13/05/2016
23rd M320FB user on pc(13/05/16)
rush mode score RANK:2794 TOP:2% OUT OF:215398
obliteration mode scoreRANK:994 TOP:1% OUT OF:159466
handgun medals RANK:2236 TOP:2% OUT OF:143874
longest headshot RANK:9512 TOP:4% OUT OF:257589
recon score RANK:10871 TOP:4% OUT OF:274899
general score per minute RANK:10016 TOP:4% OUT OF:294774

bf3
31/3/2012 4:58:

Headshot distance RANK:493* TOP:0%
Revives per assault minute RANK: 6019 TOP: 3%
Headshots / kill percentage RANK:25947 TOP:13%
MVP ribbons RANK:18824 TOP:11%

*= 6 if we not count the EOD BOT headshots

@kataklism

ARGUMENT DESTROYED 100

ENEMY KILLED [REASON] JSLICE20 100


WRITING SPREE STOPPED 500

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Sheepnub

I pity the wool

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 5:33pm

- Eliminates 'pushing' through the frontlines to reach enemy territory, resulting in an extremely chaotic situation due to all the "random" parachuters. As well as the dissatisfaction of conquering and then seeing someone parachute in from halfway across the map.
- Near exponentially increases the amount of angles ground units can get shot from.
- The supposed counters (xm25, ucav, etc) are not real counters as they usually can't reach high enough, unless you're in a higher elevated area (in which case, you'll be the 'invincible' one.
- Vehicle superiority is the main determinant factor in deciding whether the rooftop campers can stay there or not. Whatever team has the helicopters, and which are willing to decimate the rooftop campers, will have the advantage.
- Pulls the gameplay away from strategy and objectives, and replaces it with a need to get onto one or two rooftops to parachute and engage from.

Overall results in an extremely unpleasant scenario for the 'receiver', rather than creating a challenge to beat. There are next to no actually viable methods to get the enemies of the rooftop. And whatever they will come up with, they will see, and get shot by, enemies in seemingly 'random' places along with the rooftop itself.
It is chaotic, it feels extremely unfair, it ruins gameflow, and it's generally simply not fun.

Just look at (CQ&rush) dawnbreaker and (CQ) siege of shanghai. Or, heaven forbid, obliteration. You are not working angles, you're not strategically capturing areas. You are trying to either capture flags by running around trying to dodge bullets/rockets from the sky, or you're sitting on another rooftop (or airdropping from aircraft) to try and get the enemies off theirs.

I'm not sure whether that sounded "whiney" at all, but I see it as a blatantly horrible part of the game's design.
Surely someone could name all this in a more fancy manner, but eh.
I'd have to tailor a few things, and of course there's the issue of how to deal with Shanghai's levolution skyscraper (suicide nets, maybe?), but I can work with this.

(imaginaryrep++)

A simple redzoning of rooftops that are otherwise inaccessible would suffice tbh
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Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


marbleduck

Smoked Salmon Best Salmon

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 6:02pm

Oh yes, my college student ass will totally be working to make an income!

Sounds like a sure-fire way to get citizenship

>I want to be a Finnish citizen
>Why?
>I want your free education
>Will you be working?
>No
>Will you be paying taxes?
>No
>Will you be contributing to the system that you will be taking advantage of in any way
>...No

Platoon Marble Duck

Hate Mail

"you obviously don't know what an argument is as there is only one person battling. Do you really fucking think I want subs? You think you can act all big and powerful just because you sit on a computer at least 6 hours a day like the probably nerdy unwanted retard you are with 4.3k subs? You think 4.3k subs is a lot? LOL you need medicine man. I don't want any subs as i just have a google account for other media and writing comments. Think twice before you act. You even said in your video you aren't that great of a player, and the comments agree you aren't. Maybe you should once again think twice before you act, stop being such an annoying, ignorant bastard that everyone wants to shut up, and god, literally, just shut up. Your voice gave me a headache :s"

"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

"Stfu man, you're be littleing the most looked upon Battlefield Youtuber. No one cares about you, how much of an ego you have, or quite frankly your opinion. It's a fucking game.... Does it really fucking matter? Pathetic man."

"fuck you asshole, dont talk shit about total"

"Wtf is your problem? You have no subs and he has millions, yet you pick on him like some kind of stubborn, ignorant, rude child born with a silver spoon is his mouth. It's easy to do that, for example... You said there was no background noise yet there is. You say you're a fairly good player, you're not."

"please talk like a normal person and not like a professional"

MrT3a

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 6:15pm

I wish I could learn languages as easily as I learn things/details about series or random shit. I'd be as fluent as I am in English at about a rate of one language a year...
I'd learn German, Russian, Japanese, Chinese, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, and maybe Portuguese and Arab (I know each country as its own variations, that would be the longest)

I'd really like to have this ability.

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I'm a battlefield player, good sir. I don't play metro.

PC is no longer PC master race. It's PC mustard race, because consoles need to ketchup :'D

DICE gave so much into making commander better, but lemmings be lemmings I guess.

As a good guy that don't want to use overly glitched weapons, I'll quit using the MTAR and switch to the ACWR until it's fixed

The world needs more people like you


+1, I think we're all in agreement that more MrT3as would be an awesome thing :love:
Although if that was the case they'd use up so much of the world's awesome that there'd be none left for the rest of us! :D

yes, I know, I'm a big-ass hypocrite

Miffyli

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 6:18pm

Oh yes, my college student ass will totally be working to make an income!

Sounds like a sure-fire way to get citizenship

>I want to be a Finnish citizen
>Why?
>I want your free education
>Will you be working?
>No
>Will you be paying taxes?
>No
>Will you be contributing to the system that you will be taking advantage of in any way
>...No

Actually you don't have to be citizen. Afaik you just get here, say you want to study and tada, you can stay here as long as you study. If you manage to land a job by that then you can stay even longer. AFAIK there is a limit to how long you can stay with temporary rights (eg. studying) but by that point you can apply for citizenship. I am not 100% sure about these and ofc it's bit more complicated, but IIRC it goes like this more or less.
But yeah, they are trying to feed out that "coming in for free studies and leave" thing.
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included

marbleduck

Smoked Salmon Best Salmon

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 6:24pm

Oh yes, my college student ass will totally be working to make an income!

Sounds like a sure-fire way to get citizenship

>I want to be a Finnish citizen
>Why?
>I want your free education
>Will you be working?
>No
>Will you be paying taxes?
>No
>Will you be contributing to the system that you will be taking advantage of in any way
>...No

Actually you don't have to be citizen. Afaik you just get here, say you want to study and tada, you can stay here as long as you study. If you manage to land a job by that then you can stay even longer. AFAIK there is a limit to how long you can stay with temporary rights (eg. studying) but by that point you can apply for citizenship. I am not 100% sure about these and ofc it's bit more complicated, but IIRC it goes like this more or less.
But yeah, they are trying to feed out that "coming in for free studies and leave" thing.


Huh. Guess it's a tad easier than trying to get into the US.

Platoon Marble Duck

Hate Mail

"you obviously don't know what an argument is as there is only one person battling. Do you really fucking think I want subs? You think you can act all big and powerful just because you sit on a computer at least 6 hours a day like the probably nerdy unwanted retard you are with 4.3k subs? You think 4.3k subs is a lot? LOL you need medicine man. I don't want any subs as i just have a google account for other media and writing comments. Think twice before you act. You even said in your video you aren't that great of a player, and the comments agree you aren't. Maybe you should once again think twice before you act, stop being such an annoying, ignorant bastard that everyone wants to shut up, and god, literally, just shut up. Your voice gave me a headache :s"

"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

"Stfu man, you're be littleing the most looked upon Battlefield Youtuber. No one cares about you, how much of an ego you have, or quite frankly your opinion. It's a fucking game.... Does it really fucking matter? Pathetic man."

"fuck you asshole, dont talk shit about total"

"Wtf is your problem? You have no subs and he has millions, yet you pick on him like some kind of stubborn, ignorant, rude child born with a silver spoon is his mouth. It's easy to do that, for example... You said there was no background noise yet there is. You say you're a fairly good player, you're not."

"please talk like a normal person and not like a professional"

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 6:32pm

It is easier yes. You have to remember that you will pay taxes regardless. Either in food prices, rents, phonecontracts even in your clothes so it's not like you leech of government completely. So even the students who come here for free educationzies pay taxes to us.

Also iota. My flat has 71 squares divided to 2 people so it is cheap for the size. Cable tv comes with rent but I pay like 80 a month for phone, inernet and extra channels. You gotta work to have nice things! :D
Lime Neeson is a shmn

MrT3a

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 6:50pm

Talking about flats and lifestyle:
500 for 45m shared on two people, not even that expensive around here ^^ (It's pretty well placed in the city)
Well that's just the flat, you must add Internet+TV, Water and Electricity bills to that.
We both work and earn around 1100\month, we don't save a lot of money, but we save, and we can still go to restaurant occasionally, buy books, games, meats, fruits, vegetables, pizzas ...
We have a pretty balanced life ^^

You don't have to be rich to be happy ^^ (If we had children it would be tougher though)
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I'm a battlefield player, good sir. I don't play metro.

PC is no longer PC master race. It's PC mustard race, because consoles need to ketchup :'D

DICE gave so much into making commander better, but lemmings be lemmings I guess.

As a good guy that don't want to use overly glitched weapons, I'll quit using the MTAR and switch to the ACWR until it's fixed

The world needs more people like you


+1, I think we're all in agreement that more MrT3as would be an awesome thing :love:
Although if that was the case they'd use up so much of the world's awesome that there'd be none left for the rest of us! :D

yes, I know, I'm a big-ass hypocrite

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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 7:18pm

Talking about flats and lifestyle:
500 for 45m shared on two people, not even that expensive around here ^^ (It's pretty well placed in the city)
Well that's just the flat, you must add Internet+TV, Water and Electricity bills to that.
We both work and earn around 1100\month, we don't save a lot of money, but we save, and we can still go to restaurant occasionally, buy books, games, meats, fruits, vegetables, pizzas ...
We have a pretty balanced life ^^

You don't have to be rich to be happy ^^ (If we had children it would be tougher though)


Yea, my point exactly. It just depends on what is it that you are good with. I just happen to be lucky and have all the services for a reasonable price. Plus i barely spend anything except the living costs and i dont have to pay all by myself.
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