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Tuesday, May 16th 2017, 4:29pm



It wasn't going to fit in my case so I bought a new case too.

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Also upgraded monitors a few weeks ago to finish my set. Running an Asus VG248QE, and an Asus VE248Q on a Vivo dual monitor stand. Gonna be rebuilding everything tomorrow so pictures of the new setup to come.

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Tuesday, May 16th 2017, 10:53pm

Probably the correct place for this:

My system is getting pretty long in the tooth. Running an i5 4670K, 32gb of DDR 3 186X ram (needed it for a computational application). Biggest bottlneck seems to be the SLI 760 GTXs I'm running. I'm pretty torn between just waiting it out until the new PCI standard releases and everything cycles through another generation or so, or upgrading the GPU to something intermediate like a 1070.

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Wednesday, May 17th 2017, 6:08am

Probably the correct place for this:

My system is getting pretty long in the tooth. Running an i5 4670K, 32gb of DDR 3 186X ram (needed it for a computational application). Biggest bottlneck seems to be the SLI 760 GTXs I'm running. I'm pretty torn between just waiting it out until the new PCI standard releases and everything cycles through another generation or so, or upgrading the GPU to something intermediate like a 1070.

If you're going to replace the CPU, you're going to be replacing the motherboard and RAM as well. New sockets don't support DDR3 memory anymore.

If you wanna build a whole new thing, here are 3 part lists (mostly complete) from resident computer builder Mighty Voice.

System Build - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB, E... - PCPartPicker
System Build - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB, Entho... - PCPartPicker
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And then two from me.

System Build - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Du... - PCPartPicker
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Wednesday, May 17th 2017, 6:45pm

Probably the correct place for this:

My system is getting pretty long in the tooth. Running an i5 4670K, 32gb of DDR 3 186X ram (needed it for a computational application). Biggest bottlneck seems to be the SLI 760 GTXs I'm running. I'm pretty torn between just waiting it out until the new PCI standard releases and everything cycles through another generation or so, or upgrading the GPU to something intermediate like a 1070.

If you're going to replace the CPU, you're going to be replacing the motherboard and RAM as well. New sockets don't support DDR3 memory anymore.

If you wanna build a whole new thing, here are 3 part lists (mostly complete) from resident computer builder Mighty Voice.

System Build - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB, E... - PCPartPicker
System Build - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB, Entho... - PCPartPicker
System Build - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB, Entho... - PCPartPicker

And then two from me.

System Build - Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Du... - PCPartPicker
System Build - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core, GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Dual ... - PCPartPicker


Yeah, so that's the thing. I'm torn between just replacing the GPU now and then waiting until the CPU bottlenecks (I figure 2ish years?), or just toughing it out the two years and doing a full new build.

So I guess the question is more like: how worth it is to replace the GPU on an older I5 build?

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Wednesday, May 17th 2017, 7:04pm

So I guess the question is more like: how worth it is to replace the GPU on an older I5 build?

Depends on what you play. Honestly, my brother is using old i7 930 with Radeon HD 7970, and most games run fine. Mostly Total Wars are being slow I hear. I can't see your i5 being a serious bottleneck for a while yet, although some games get some FPS boost from new CPUs like Skylakes.
Like yugas mentioned, your CPU upgrade would be pricey at this point, considering you would have to get new motherboard + memory + cpu.

tl;dr: Go ahead and upgrade GPU first (my two cents). My friend just upgraded from GTX 760 to GTX 1060 with same CPU, and now games are going buttersmooth.
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Wednesday, May 17th 2017, 8:35pm

So I guess the question is more like: how worth it is to replace the GPU on an older I5 build?

Depends on what you play. Honestly, my brother is using old i7 930 with Radeon HD 7970, and most games run fine. Mostly Total Wars are being slow I hear. I can't see your i5 being a serious bottleneck for a while yet, although some games get some FPS boost from new CPUs like Skylakes.
Like yugas mentioned, your CPU upgrade would be pricey at this point, considering you would have to get new motherboard + memory + cpu.

tl;dr: Go ahead and upgrade GPU first (my two cents). My friend just upgraded from GTX 760 to GTX 1060 with same CPU, and now games are going buttersmooth.


Only games I'm currently playing that really demand hardware are BF1 and Space Engineers (the latter of which I've basically given up). The rest is all stuff that runs fine on a potato. Nothing else AAA has really grabbed me but of course that is always subject to change.

BF1 is playable, but definitely not getting the full graphical experience, and lots of frame dropping with the SLI it seems. If it's not crazy to toss a new GPU into a older system I'll go ahead and pick up a 1070. Hopefully can offload the two 760s as well.

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Wednesday, May 17th 2017, 8:50pm

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I also have a i5 4670K system. I used to run two 770's in SLI but upgraded to a 1070 this March.

The jump in performance was noticeable, a lot of it was due to no longer being hampered by the measly two gigs of RAM. The better thermals of not running SLI are also welcome.

So TL;DR would be: going from SLI 760/770's to a 1070 on a 4670K rig will net you a noticeable performance increase, the CPU won't bottleneck you for regular gaming.

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It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

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Wednesday, May 17th 2017, 10:11pm

Finished rebuilding my system a few hours ago and haven't really gotten a chance to push it yet, but I can say the Enthoo Pro case is a joy to build in. It really makes you look better than you are at cable management. Went with white LED fans this time and they're a lot more mild than the blue that used to light the entire room before.

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edit: Just finally got to play some DOOM. Old GPU on medium settings was around 12-14 FPS, new is 170-190 on high/ultra. Good times.

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Thursday, May 18th 2017, 5:06pm

CPU bottlenecking is getting interesting. While older decent unlocked Intel processors aren't necessarily huge bottlenecks in a lot of triple-A games, some games, largely F2P games run on older less advanced engines that utilize 1-2 cores at most, so generational IPC improvements and newer Intel processors such as the 7600k and 7700k are able to push 4.8+ Ghz on nearly all processors, with many able to push 5 and beyond. This can be used to brute force higher frame rates out of such games. Conversely, in many of the current generation Triple-A games and for many to come, greater CPU core counts help prevent microstutters and frame dips, and also assist in multi tasking (IE Streaming while gaming, watching videos, or streams while gaming).

Really, the decision to upgrade platforms is one that depends on what you have now and what you play. If I was upgrading my computer today and not several months ago, I'd have a rough time deciding what I wanted to do CPU wise because of the games I play.

tl;dr - New Intel CPUs (Kaby Lake) can boost performance in very CPU intensive games that don't use many cores, new AMD CPUs can run newer Triple-A games more smoothly and blow away Intel in price-performance.

If your CPU is overclockable and only two or three generations old you shouldn't have to worry about CPU bottlenecking for a little while, but I wouldn't suggest spending $750 on a graphics card for that platform, either. If you want a full breakdown of what I think is best for your use case, feel free to pay me :>
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Tuesday, May 23rd 2017, 4:04pm

Hi folks! As in question - I am beginner and I want to buy a new Keyboard in the £150-200 max range. I know that should get a > £400 one but I'm student without too much money to spend.
Now had a quick look at Corsair K70
Top 5 best Gaming Keyboards - reviews on Bestadvisers.co.uk
Seems like a pretty good product
But what's the difference between the k70, k70 lux and the k70 rapidfire?
would appreciate the help