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Friday, December 4th 2015, 1:40pm

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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Friday, December 4th 2015, 3:51pm

I guess the reason why they'd threaten that is because it's not far from being a homonym to "douche:" hell a NY paper used it like that after the guy behind the Paris attacks got ganked. Either that or they want to give people headaches every time ISIS is said in full in arabic:

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Saturday, December 5th 2015, 1:48am



So wait, are you telling me Daesh don't like being called Daesh because Daesh isn't a very nice word? But that newspaper article says that Daesh is actually what Daesh's name is as an acronym in Arabic, meaning that Daesh called themselves Daesh even though they probably knew fine well what Daesh means and that once other people find out what Daesh means that they'd start calling Daesh Daesh as well!
Tl;dr: They're not very bright, are they (Daesh)? :P

Also I will give virtual chocolate buttons to anyone who tops 12 uses of the term "Daesh" in a sentence mocking Daesh, and Daesh's use of the phrase Daesh (16 now) :D

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Saturday, December 5th 2015, 12:03pm


Tl;dr: They're not very bright, are they (Daesh)? :P


What did you expect from religious fundamentalists? A PhD ?

Its their military success, which makes me scratch my head. There must be at least 'some' competent people. If they are solely idiots, then they wouldnt have come so far.

But on the other hand, maybe thats their strategy. Stupidity is sometimes unpredictable.
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Saturday, December 5th 2015, 12:11pm

But on the other hand, maybe thats their strategy. Stupidity is sometimes unpredictable.

They were smart enough to get rid of the Twin Towers.

Just because according to a Western POV they're sick-minded people doesn't mean they're stupid. They have a rather different and violent perspective. That's different to stupid.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.

FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.

In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.


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Saturday, December 5th 2015, 12:27pm



So wait, are you telling me Daesh don't like being called Daesh because Daesh isn't a very nice word? But that newspaper article says that Daesh is actually what Daesh's name is as an acronym in Arabic, meaning that Daesh called themselves Daesh even though they probably knew fine well what Daesh means and that once other people find out what Daesh means that they'd start calling Daesh Daesh as well!
Tl;dr: They're not very bright, are they (Daesh)? :P

Also I will give virtual chocolate buttons to anyone who tops 12 uses of the term "Daesh" in a sentence mocking Daesh, and Daesh's use of the phrase Daesh (16 now) :D

Exactly :D

You really do have to wonder what Daesh was thinking when Daesh named itself something that could be shortened as Daesh.. As if media would ever use the full Arabic name instead of a simple word like ISIS or Daesh... The whole name doesn't even make any sense as Daesh want an Islamic state without borders, should just have been "IS" without the locations Iraq and Syria, which wouldn't have been possible to turn into Daesh.. Or if no one in Daesh even considered that western media would figure out the Arabic acronym Daesh... But maybe Daesh did consider the acronym Daesh and just hoped that media wouldn't figure out the word Daesh that could be used to insult Daesh using the name Daesh made up themselves... Pls pls pls don't figure out the Daesh acronym... Oh shit they figured Daesh out! Daesh will cut out your tongue! Oh shit we just called ourselves Daesh! Maybe Daesh isn't too bad after all? Pretty simple to say Daesh as well... Daesh is more like Al-Quaida and wont be confused with the Egyptian god anyways, and doesn't ruin everyone named "Isis" after her, don't know anyone named Daesh... Al-Quaida just means "the base" or something, of course Daesh needs a fancy acronym as well.. It's no wonder that media prefers Daesh over ISIS, fits Daesh perfectly...

What did you expect from religious fundamentalists? A PhD ?

Its their military success, which makes me scratch my head. There must be at least 'some' competent people. If they are solely idiots, then they wouldnt have come so far.

But on the other hand, maybe thats their strategy. Stupidity is sometimes unpredictable.


The only thing Daesh has going for it are the ex-military leaders from Iraq etc that used to be in Al-Quaida but now went to Daesh, without those Daesh wouldn't have anywhere near as much success. Unfortunately Iraq's army wasn't prepared for Daesh or even took Daesh seriously, so Daesh was able to capture loads of Iraqi and American equipment really easily which Daesh then used in their conquest... But ultimately, Daesh is utterly incompetent as the fundamental base of Daesh is just terror, which never wins...

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Saturday, December 5th 2015, 12:52pm

But on the other hand, maybe thats their strategy. Stupidity is sometimes unpredictable.

They were smart enough to get rid of the Twin Towers.

Just because according to a Western POV they're sick-minded people doesn't mean they're stupid. They have a rather different and violent perspective. That's different to stupid.


The twin towers havent been Daesh. AFAIK it was bin ladens terror group (Al-Kaida I suppose), which was not fundamentally enough for Daesh.

Then the stupidity of intelligence comes in. It doesnt matter how intelligent sb is, it doesnt prevent him from being stupid! E.g During WW2 german physicists developed an alternative jew-free thesis to Einsteins work. They must have been very intelligent men, but still stupid because of their mindset and their work is rightfully ignored.

So long, I start to develop a rather violent perspective on them too. Damn I am not safe from stupidity either. ;)
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Saturday, December 5th 2015, 1:57pm

Daesh is more like Al-Quaida and wont be confused with the Egyptian god anyways, and doesn't ruin everyone named "Isis" after her, don't know anyone named Daesh


This was the point where Cola nearly came out of my nose :D
Well done Aen :D

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Sunday, December 6th 2015, 8:29am

mrw I finally finish coding, debugging, testing and then submit my last programming assignment for the quarter 30min before the deadline

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Sunday, December 6th 2015, 4:01pm

mrw I finally finish coding, debugging, testing and then submit my last programming assignment for the quarter 30min before the deadline

And you didn't have annyoing flatmates like me hanging around? :v. Chatted with flatmate one evening bit too long and he missed the deadline with 2mins, even tho he had everything ready etc.

May I ask what kind of code/program it was?
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