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Wednesday, January 11th 2017, 9:30am

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It seems more like a personality development problem and less of a gender specific.


Just pointing this out to not let 'psychotherapist' stuff float around, transsexuality is definitely a biological phenomenon with genetic basis. I.e., not something that one chooses or can 'heal from'. Of course everything in life involves development and psychological factors, but they alone are unlikely causes for trans-issues or sexual orientations.


I'm not gonna delve in trans talk as stated elsewhere, however, i don't feel like what you said it's completely true, being an individual who has multiple mental disorders of biological form but never knew which since just before turning 18, and having lived most of my life around psychologists, i don't feel at all that psychology shouldn't be involved, sure you can't be "cured" crom a feeling you have due to biological reasons, but psycologists can help deal with it super-fast if you have any trouble, for exampl:

I have some degree of the autistic spectrum disorder and dysthymic disorder,i've not taken any emotive regulator pill for months to try and lose weight(note: it worked to a fairly decent extent) and around christmas i've underewent a midnight crisis to the point i cried in the arms of my ftaher, however, thanks to psychology(no, i'm still very ignorant about my disorders) i knew exactly why i was feeling like thta and how useless it was to act like that, so after 2 rounds of venting at nothing to my father and mother i was already feeling fine as if nothing happened: i knew what was going on, i knew what i should have done and i knew why it was happening, all thanks to psychology and psychiatrists, when this stufff happened years before, i would feel like that for days, weeks, but not now.

In general, i feel like everyone who doesn't have a perfect life requires a psychologist, due to different evaluation scsles, even things that may seem stipid can cause panic attacks in some people, while things thta should have major impacts on your life barely touch you, that too for example requires a psychologist.
to be clear, anything that involves your emotions being in a negative state for a prolonged time or to be extremely periodically require you to get a visit to a psychologist.
the problen is the psychologist themselves... i knew so many, and you could say that i could be a better psychologist than most pf them which is kind of crazy, especially considering italy has some of the best out there(e.g. dr. Curatolo , who was a pivotal point in defining adhd)

Tl;dr psychologists in a lot of cases serve more like (a very effective) painkiller than a complete cure, but unless they're terrible psychologists, they an always be useful.

Quick tip to know if they suck: if they tell you or you hear them say that you are crazy, they're terrible psychologists.

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Wednesday, January 11th 2017, 9:40am

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...i don't feel like what you said it's completely true...


It is. But your point is good and I didn't imply that psychologists would not be useful. One still needs mental coping mechanisms even if the 'problems' are biological, and for some, psychological support will certainly help in building these mechanisms. (Quotation marks because many people from minority groups would not (and should not) classify their state as a problem but rather as just who they are.)
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Wednesday, January 11th 2017, 1:40pm

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Its more in depth than I can just put in a text post like that but yes, I was in therapy for nearly a year before they would even consider hormones. Australia is very strict about this.

Also, yes marbleduck I have surgery booked for next year lol.


Ok good to know. I just wanted to point this out to prevent you from doing the change without considering more options. Some people are like that, good you arent.

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Just pointing this out to not let 'psychotherapist' stuff float around, transsexuality is definitely a biological phenomenon with genetic basis. I.e., not something that one chooses or can 'heal from'. Of course everything in life involves development and psychological factors, but they alone are unlikely causes for trans-issues or sexual orientations.


So what ? I guess you want to tell me, that just because there is a genetic basis, the use of hormones and surgery will solve it. Your Solutionist logic is ice cold: "Transsexuality --> genetic basis --> use hormones and surgery --> Problem solved"

Just because there is a genetic basis for transexuality, the switch to a different gender is just the most obvious solution, but is it the root of the problem ? You usually want to solve the root of the problem and not the symptoms.

I wanted to ask for the root of the problem. Not to make fun of him, but trying to understand what is going on in a person with transsexuality issues.

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It is. But your point is good and I didn't imply that psychologists would not be useful. One still needs mental coping mechanisms even if the 'problems' are biological, and for some, psychological support will certainly help in building these mechanisms. (Quotation marks because many people from minority groups would not (and should not) classify their state as a problem but rather as just who they are.)
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Wednesday, January 11th 2017, 2:33pm

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Indeed, the cause and the treatment (or cure) are different things.

I wrote "biological reasons" to banish the thought that the causes of trans-identity or sexual orientation could be 'psychological'. The feeling of being a man or a woman (or something else), just like the feeling of being straight, gay, bi (or something else), is biological, innate, and remarkably difficult to influence by things like how you have been raised. See, e.g., the sad story of David Reimer (or the crap about "healing from being gay").

And of course even if there is a strong consensus that the causes are biological, the causes are poorly understood - and even if they were perfectly understood, it could be impossible to develop a 'cure' to fix the condition. Hence treatments, not cures, are what need to be considered.

How one then copes with this feeling (= treats the problem) is another thing, very individual. Acceptance, psychological counseling, hormones, surgery...

So, my post was to say that one is born this way, just like one may be born with any other condition, and it needs to be accepted by everyone involved.
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Wednesday, January 11th 2017, 3:06pm

But my gender science professor said that it is merely a social construct!
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Wednesday, January 11th 2017, 4:52pm

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Its more in depth than I can just put in a text post like that but yes, I was in therapy for nearly a year before they would even consider hormones. Australia is very strict about this.

Also, yes marbleduck I have surgery booked for next year lol.


You're fine for an Internet forum imo

Facial surgery, breast augmentation, genital reassignment or all of it?

tits or gtfo post pictures in a year pls. The, uh, face, not the genitals.

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Friday, January 13th 2017, 4:34am

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Its more in depth than I can just put in a text post like that but yes, I was in therapy for nearly a year before they would even consider hormones. Australia is very strict about this.

Also, yes marbleduck I have surgery booked for next year lol.


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Friday, January 13th 2017, 5:28am

Whoa, this caused a bit of a stir. Just remember to keep stuff civil, I'm not going to argue semantics or the politics of it all. As far as my Admin powers, I may be back but im kind of easing into things again to kind of get a test of the waters per se.

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But my gender science professor said that it is merely a social construct!


Yea, it is, soz.

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You're fine for an Internet forum imo

Facial surgery, breast augmentation, genital reassignment or all of it?

tits or gtfo post pictures in a year pls. The, uh, face, not the genitals.


Gender Reassignment Surgery, I need to be evaluated by a psychiatrist for a year before they let me here in aus.
As far as what other surgeries I am and am not getting, I am weird so I don't really want to share that right now lol.

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Add you how/where. Also, screw this stupid heat, my ice cream melted before i could eat it today.
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Friday, January 13th 2017, 5:39am

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Add you how/where. Also, screw this stupid heat, my ice cream melted before i could eat it today.


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