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Friday, October 23rd 2015, 12:40pm

Interesting read, even for someone as hopeless at maths as me. What I took away from it is that we all need to talk about vehicles more and that Reddit is full of a$$holes (big surprise there!). So everyone needs to come join the MRAP master race with me :) I have oh so many suggestions. like giving its gunner seat the same prox scan that the amtraac, mbts and IFVs get.

and then add a tow missile..... and some zuni rockets and maybe a stinger on the roof for those pesky helicopters...

ok maybe I'm getting carried away. I am curious though what my people on symthic think about vehicle balance and if they have any good suggestions for improvements besides just the usual jet arguments.


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Friday, October 23rd 2015, 1:06pm

I just figured that likely most swear words likely come from


And we love him because he is very emotional!

Edit: btw, I did not read everything thoroughly, but don't you think a remark is in order talking about higher language barrier that is found on symthic? I think, since the standards for foreign languages are higher here, people with only limited skills in english will rather result to more expressive language that is more easily understandable for everyone, i.e. swear words or rather colourful short remarks.

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Friday, October 23rd 2015, 2:13pm


I just figured that likely most swear words likely come from M60


you could have alleviated the bias from Vipers outliers by using median instead of mean, percentiles instead of SDs, and Spearman's rank correlation instead of Pearson's. :)
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Friday, October 23rd 2015, 2:24pm

I can confirm the picture of the Symthic post raging about the UCAV change was indeed, @ViperFTW.

Symthic's opinions on May 26th patch.

We love you Vipes :thumbsup:
something something Model 8 bestgun

How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:

Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

I... I...



In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.


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Friday, October 23rd 2015, 3:19pm

I can confirm the picture of the Symthic post raging about the UCAV change was indeed, @ViperFTW.

I don't think anyone had any doubt. :P


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Friday, October 23rd 2015, 4:44pm


And we love him because he is very emotional!

This is possibly the most diplomatic way to describe me ever :P

I can confirm the picture of the Symthic post raging about the UCAV change was indeed, @ViperFTW.

I don't think anyone had any doubt. :P


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