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marbleduck

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Friday, November 25th 2016, 5:29pm

I'm not sure if I understood the bit about the money.

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Friday, November 25th 2016, 7:46pm

Me neither. That's why I am questioning the results before they are even out yet.

The researcher can interpret whatever he wants if the participants dont understand 1/3 of the questions.

still playin' Motorstorm

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Friday, November 25th 2016, 7:50pm

Quoted from "ARE5R06"

Me neither. That's why I am questioning the results before they are even out yet.

The researcher can interpret whatever he wants if the participants dont understand 1/3 of the questions.

sounds like what happened with the psychologists during my second day hospital... i wasn't able to finish all of the questions because i had to ask every time what they meant, while my parents straight up gave opposite answers that made no sense because they didn't understand.

just, be more clear with the questions.

"I'm just a loot whore."

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Friday, November 25th 2016, 8:44pm

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Oddly, BF3 doesn't do this.

Add that to the list of things "Battlefield 3" does not have. It also will not get a game client like "Battlefield 4".

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Saturday, November 26th 2016, 3:28am

Quoted from "marbleduck"

I'm not sure if I understood the bit about the money.

I'm fairly sure it was to test your level of generosity.

Are you generous? You would give the stranger a lot of money. Are you selfish? You would keep a lot of money to yourself.

something something Model 8 bestgun

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Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

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Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:

Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

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Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

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Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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@Veritable
@Zer0Cod3x
I... I...
But...
Wha...
I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.

FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.

In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.

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Saturday, November 26th 2016, 4:19am

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Quoted from "marbleduck"

I'm not sure if I understood the bit about the money.

I'm fairly sure it was to test your level of generosity.

Are you generous? You would give the stranger a lot of money. Are you selfish? You would keep a lot of money to yourself.

so how would you judge that with battlefield? like, you can't just say "we expect snipers or assault players to be selfish" so the results have to show top sniper players who give the input to set all selfish ratings... right?
that would be statistically useless considering how many ways there are to play a class.

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obliteration mode scoreRANK:994 TOP:1% OUT OF:159466
handgun medals RANK:2236 TOP:2% OUT OF:143874
longest headshot RANK:9512 TOP:4% OUT OF:257589
recon score RANK:10871 TOP:4% OUT OF:274899
general score per minute RANK:10016 TOP:4% OUT OF:294774

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Headshot distance RANK:493* TOP:0%
Revives per assault minute RANK: 6019 TOP: 3%
Headshots / kill percentage RANK:25947 TOP:13%
MVP ribbons RANK:18824 TOP:11%

*= 6 if we not count the EOD BOT headshots

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Saturday, November 26th 2016, 4:34am

What I want to know is why it is relevant how many people I've fucked?

The overwhelming majority of these questions are asking for specific numbers for things that no typical person would ever record. It's also taking a totally irrelevant snapshot of a person's life.

The past year I've been on 20+ dates, while playing BF3 and BF4 I had stable LTRs and "dated" only one person.

So...many...flaws.

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Saturday, November 26th 2016, 11:53am

Quoted from "tankmayvin"

What I want to know is why it is relevant how many people I've fucked?

The overwhelming majority of these questions are asking for specific numbers for things that no typical person would ever record. It's also taking a totally irrelevant snapshot of a person's life.

The past year I've been on 20+ dates, while playing BF3 and BF4 I had stable LTRs and "dated" only one person.

So...many...flaws.

Hence they ask for the approximate numbers instead of exact values. I figure it's enough for the research to know very rough estimate for the variables e.g. "1", "10" or "20".

And while these numbers might seem irrelevant they seemed to be something you would actually remember to some extent, instead of asking something like "how many hours of youtube videos you have watched in past a month on daily average" or something. Also for topics like these I believe they have bunch of studies concluding correlations between trait X and Y (e.g. more fines correlates with being reckless [just an example!!!]).

And finally, like Avelyn18 said, these should not be taken personally. The data is handled anonymously (I believe this is something unis are very careful about) and is inspected as a whole instead on individual level (maybe a sub-group). You can't conclude anything from one observation alone for a study like this, but for e.g. a practical psychology treatment stuff one could study individual's variables in the light of these bulk-results from a study like this, and then conclude something for that patient.

Slightly offtopic: Psychology (and social science) can have very controversial looking questions and approaches. I know one guy from brony community who did a research on something I would never, ever have balls to do.

Quoted from "iota-09"

so how would you judge that with battlefield? like, you can't just say "we expect snipers or assault players to be selfish" so the results have to show top sniper players who give the input to set all selfish ratings... right?
that would be statistically useless considering how many ways there are to play a class.

One of the applications of the statistics is exactly this kind of inference. Confirming your hypothesis like that (e.g. "Snipers tend to be selfish") is actually one of the core parts of classical statistics (tests, p-values). Battlefield is probably even easier to study in this regard because we can have accurate values of bunch of variables, meanwhile studying things like this "in real life" is very time consuming, numbers might be off and so on.

Also one has to remember the conclusions are averages of data and have nothing to do with individuals. E.g. It doesn't mean all (or even most) snipers are selfish. However if one started treating some psychological problem on bunch of people using these results as a guideline allow you have more correct choices for treatment than random guessing.

Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:

3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).

Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included

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Saturday, November 26th 2016, 11:58am

I am sensing a certain scepticism against social sciences here, as to be expected on this site.

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Saturday, November 26th 2016, 3:12pm

@marbleduck
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So long as you understood "push this slider to indicate how much money you want considering how much money the other would get" you're fine.

It's kind of relevant that the people who answer the questionnaire *don't* exactly know or understand why the question is being asked. It's part of the reason why many psychological studies are flawed: they're performed on undergraduate psychology students who often do have a good idea what might be the underlying questions, thus maybe adapting their answers. It's also why first or second semester students are more popular with researchers than late semester students.

Also psychological studies like this are very resilient to the fact that "there are so many ways to play a class", due to every class sort of having a dedicated role that it's more suited to than the others, which in a large sample size will conceivably be what is done *more* with it. It's wrong to say that "selfish players play recon and snipe". The correct way to put it if there even is a positive and significant correlation would be "selfish players tend to play more recon than other players", as it will never apply to everyone in the population. I'm not expecting extremely strong correlations here, but there will be small effects.

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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.

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You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?

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