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Sunday, September 20th 2015, 9:46am

Do certain underbarrel attachments still affect spread decrease?

I think I remember hearing that the bipod and the underslung/UGL rail gave weapons their original spread decrease after the spring patch. Was that the case? Also, is it still the case after the summer patch?
I've been running bipod on everything just in case.

I also have another unrelated question (I-if that's okay...)
Is Hardline worth buying for Xbox 360? I had fun during the beta tbh, fam.

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Sunday, September 20th 2015, 11:56am

It's more like certain attachments don't affect spread decrease.
Every grip has x0.67 multiplier to spread decrease IIRC, while UGL/Bipod/None have no effect on this stat whatsoever.

And about the Hardline, I'd either completely skip this game, as I consider it an utter failure, mostly because Visceral has no idea what they are doing, or buy it in a year or two, when DICE LA does the same thing they done to BF4.

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Sunday, September 20th 2015, 1:17pm

There is a total of 1.3k players on XBOX360, now.

So no, I wouldnt buy it.

If you like good gunplay, broken balance and Infantry gameplay. You might as well play BF3.
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Sunday, September 20th 2015, 1:46pm

The ones granting a (negative) impact on spread decrease are the three grips (angled/ergo/stubby, together with their cosmetic overrides), and the flash hider.

Keep in mind though: This attribute doesn't make the attachments themselves 'useless' (although I wouldn't mind if these kind of nonsense downsides would get removed). You simply have to use an attachment in the correct way, and keep in mind you have to 'fight' around the penalty.

For BFH: Currently in bf3, on pc alone, there are more people playing than there are on three platforms combined in BFH. That game can quite objectively be seen as a failure.
It takes pretty hilarious proportions too when you see the old "it will be a reskin of bf4!"-statements, and then look into the data files....and see that BFH is literally just a folder within bf4's structure (:

So, yh...
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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

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I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

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Sunday, September 20th 2015, 2:18pm

I think I remember hearing that the bipod and the underslung/UGL rail gave weapons their original spread decrease after the spring patch. Was that the case? Also, is it still the case after the summer patch?
I've been running bipod on everything just in case.
The spread decrease debuff from grips isn't that bad, use grips if you want to. You should rather look at it as if "no grip" gives you a buff to spread decrease rather than grips giving you a debuff to spread decrease; the game was balanced around grips being equipped and "no grip" acting like a buff.

Equipping a grip usually only leads to it taking one more frame (~33 miliseconds) to reach minspread between bursts, which isn't much time at all. Surely you can agree that a lower FSM, better moving spread or lower spread increase can be worth trading for needing to wait one more frame between bursts? Besides, since you are on a console (triggers are slow to operate, no?), I actually doubt that the faster spread decrease of no-grip will even be of much use to you.

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It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

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Monday, September 21st 2015, 4:01am

Besides, since you are on a console (triggers are slow to operate, no?), I actually doubt that the faster spread decrease of no-grip will even be of much use to you.

Depends. X360 has a much longer trigger depress time than PS3, not sure about current gen.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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