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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 6:37am

XM25 Stats

I just need them real quick and I have no idea where there are. Also, what changes did they get in the most recent patch?

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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 6:53am

I just need them real quick and I have no idea where there are. Also, what changes did they get in the most recent patch?

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>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
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I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

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They called me a Gweilo.

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just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 12:07pm

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StartDamage 8.4
    EndDamage 4.2
    DamageFalloffStartDistance 25.0
    DamageFalloffEndDistance 50.0

NumberOfBulletsPerShell 15

RateOfFire 180.0

WeaponDispersion::WeaponDispersion
        StandDispersion::FiringDispersionData
            MinAngle 2.0
            MaxAngle 2.0
            IncreasePerShot 0.0
            DecreasePerSecond 5.0

 ReloadTime 3.6
        ReloadTimeBulletsLeft 2.8
        ReloadThreshold 0.8


I think that's most of it. I've never really pulled data in this way though, but I think these are correct.
something something Model 8 bestgun


How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.

FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

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In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.


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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 5:14pm

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StartDamage 8.4
    EndDamage 4.2
    DamageFalloffStartDistance 25.0
    DamageFalloffEndDistance 50.0

NumberOfBulletsPerShell 15

RateOfFire 180.0

WeaponDispersion::WeaponDispersion
        StandDispersion::FiringDispersionData
            MinAngle 2.0
            MaxAngle 2.0
            IncreasePerShot 0.0
            DecreasePerSecond 5.0

 ReloadTime 3.6
        ReloadTimeBulletsLeft 2.8
        ReloadThreshold 0.8


I think that's most of it. I've never really pulled data in this way though, but I think these are correct.

Mate, I looked at the files and that doesn't look at all right
Also, my experience in game doesn't not prove that
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You're into Chinese nowadays?
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Thanks razal.

I don't even have a big neck.

I didn't know vertigo could disrupt one's sense of size.


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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 5:21pm

It probably is right, however which XM25 are you talking about exactly? The airburst one or shotgun ones? They have different ammos (obviously) and can have slightly different generic stats as well, like rate of fire.
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included

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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 5:23pm

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It probably is right, however which XM25 are you talking about exactly? The airburst one or shotgun ones? They have different ammos (obviously) and can have slightly different generic stats as well, like rate of fire.

Airburst. Also, the stuff Zer0Cod3x pulled didn't include explosive damage

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You're into Chinese nowadays?
No, but i am into immature jokes about sexual intercourse with cats with a pinch of stereotypical asian accent. :D

Thanks razal.

I don't even have a big neck.

I didn't know vertigo could disrupt one's sense of size.


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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 5:35pm

Airburst. Also, the stuff Zer0Cod3x pulled didn't include explosive damage

Timed explosion:

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        BlastDamage 35.0
        BlastRadius 5.0


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        BlastDamage 20.0
        BlastRadius 3.5


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Bullet speed: 60.0
Gravity/drop: None (?)
Timetolive: 5.1s
Distancetolive: 306m


@Zer0
Good try, just remember to check you're reading correct values under correct elements etc :)
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included

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Friday, August 7th 2015, 9:50am

@Pastafarianism
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Sorry, IDK why but I thought XM25 DART was the only XM25. My bad :D

I was looking under XM25_DART_Firing, and for the pellets I looked under 12G_Flechette. Is that not the right place to look?

Also, my experience in game doesn't not prove that

With test range testing, the XM25 DART when aiming at centre of chest is usually a 2 hit kill at 30 m. This matches leptis' charts.
something something Model 8 bestgun


How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

@Veritable
@Zer0Cod3x
I... I...
But...
Wha...
I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.

FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.

In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Zer0Cod3x" (Aug 7th 2015, 10:07am)


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Friday, August 7th 2015, 10:56am

I was looking under XM25_DART_Firing, and for the pellets I looked under 12G_Flechette. Is that not the right place to look?

Oh for DART it is yeah. Just remember to find the right ammo name from "ProjectileData" in FiringFunction, sometimes the names are confusing and can not always be trusted.
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included

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Friday, August 7th 2015, 4:43pm

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Also, my experience in game doesn't not prove that

With test range testing, the XM25 DART when aiming at centre of chest is usually a 2 hit kill at 30 m. This matches leptis' charts.

Thing is, I didn't know you were talking about the Dart. I thought you were saying the XM25 actually did that little damage.

I was just polite enough not to ask if you were out of your mind

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Master of nothing, mediocre at everything... except dropping ammo boxes. I do that like it's my fucking job.
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You're into Chinese nowadays?
No, but i am into immature jokes about sexual intercourse with cats with a pinch of stereotypical asian accent. :D

Thanks razal.

I don't even have a big neck.

I didn't know vertigo could disrupt one's sense of size.