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Sunday, May 31st 2015, 6:31am

Weapon Zeroing

Where can I find the information about the zeroing for each of the weapons? It's not on the main 26th spring notes as far as I can tell.

Also, is there any graph tool for the individual weapons to see their bullet trajectories? It would be useful to see the two point zeroing and how high the bullet will go above the sight line.

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Sunday, May 31st 2015, 6:45am

I know I've seen some charts to those effects around here before, but I dont know if anyone has done them up for the new patch
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Sunday, May 31st 2015, 6:54am

Where can I find the information about the zeroing for each of the weapons?


Lifted off a BNS video.



Also, is there any graph tool for the individual weapons to see their bullet trajectories?


Yes.

You search for the gravity, InitialPosition, and InitialSpeed vector in each weapon's file. Gravity will be found in the weapon's projectile file. For this example, we will use the AK 5C.

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InitialPosition::Vec3
    x 0.0
    y -0.0635
    z 0.0

InitialSpeed::Vec3
    x 0.0
    y 1.38197
    z 630.0


You then go to a charting program and enter the following formula:

(InitialPositionY)+(InitialSpeedY)(x/InitialSpeedZ)-(0.5*Gravity*(x/InitialSpeedZ)^2)


You'll get a line that looks like this



Zooming on the graph, we can see the overshoot for the AK 5C does not reach even 1cm. It doesn't even look like .1cm.



When you want to consider Suppressors, you have to search for the WeaponShotModifier. These contain the Suppressed bullet velocities and the corresponding change in upwards speed. The Ak 5C's is:

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WeaponShotModifier 0000000b
    $::WeaponModifierBase
        $::DataContainer
        ApplyOrder -1
    NumberOfBulletsPerShell -1
    InitialSpeed::Vec3
        x 0.0
        y 1.41277
        z 350.0


We input this new equation alongside the previous one and we get a maximum overshoot of less than 1cm.



It would be useful to see the two point zeroing and how high the bullet will go above the sight line.


Not significant enough to cause issues. The highest deviation was the SCAR-H at 5cm IIRC though that may have been reduced.
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Monday, June 1st 2015, 2:34pm

Who's idea was it to nerf the DMRs spread, then force them to have 100m zeroing?! This is a terrible combo

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Monday, June 1st 2015, 2:45pm

Who's idea was it to nerf the DMRs spread, then force them to have 100m zeroing?! This is a terrible combo

The zeroing is all in your head. It's merely to compensate for the vertical offset of the bullet spawn. Spread was increased to allow snipers rifles to reasonably outrange DMRs.
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Monday, June 1st 2015, 3:25pm

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Who's idea was it to nerf the DMRs spread, then force them to have 100m zeroing?! This is a terrible combo

The zeroing is all in your head. It's merely to compensate for the vertical offset of the bullet spawn. Spread was increased to allow snipers rifles to reasonably outrange DMRs.

Oh OK. My bad
And the spread nerf is justified, I guess I just didn't understand the zeroing

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Monday, June 1st 2015, 6:48pm

DMRs are one of the things with the new patch where everyone is really upset about them yet I still see tons of people using them and I myself haven't had a single problem with them...Not with the QBU at least...

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