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Wednesday, February 25th 2015, 12:43pm

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Wait... Suppressed meaning don't show up on the minimap or reduced muzzle velocity? If meaning don't show up on the minimap would there be a way to test if muzzle velocity was reduced or not?

Same with increased hipfire spread.

I only tested for minimap effect. However I doubt it also receives the negatives you mentioned. Certainly not the muzzle velocity nerf, because this is not (likely) supposed to be in the game, thus DICE wouldn't have programmed a suppressed velocity for the shotguns.

IDK how you'd test for lowered muzzle velocity, but I think increased hipfire spread could simply be tested by a side by side comparison. I'd do this but I don't have recording gear. Plus in BF3 wasn't there a Youtube vidja showing a suppressed SPAS-12?

I guess hipfire spread would be testable, but I can't say I can right now.

And about the BF3 SPAS, I heard that was like a Dev only weapon or something

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Wednesday, February 25th 2015, 1:43pm

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Wait... Suppressed meaning don't show up on the minimap or reduced muzzle velocity? If meaning don't show up on the minimap would there be a way to test if muzzle velocity was reduced or not?

Same with increased hipfire spread.

I only tested for minimap effect. However I doubt it also receives the negatives you mentioned. Certainly not the muzzle velocity nerf, because this is not (likely) supposed to be in the game, thus DICE wouldn't have programmed a suppressed velocity for the shotguns.

IDK how you'd test for lowered muzzle velocity, but I think increased hipfire spread could simply be tested by a side by side comparison. I'd do this but I don't have recording gear. Plus in BF3 wasn't there a Youtube vidja showing a suppressed SPAS-12?

And about the BF3 SPAS, I heard that was like a Dev only weapon or something

Even so, that means that the SPAS must have been coded somewhere in the game. Thus Dice (I'm assuming) did program a suppressed velocity for at least the SPAS in BF3, could it be the same in BF4 but a bug?
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Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Wednesday, February 25th 2015, 7:27pm

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Wait... Suppressed meaning don't show up on the minimap or reduced muzzle velocity? If meaning don't show up on the minimap would there be a way to test if muzzle velocity was reduced or not?

Same with increased hipfire spread.

I only tested for minimap effect. However I doubt it also receives the negatives you mentioned. Certainly not the muzzle velocity nerf, because this is not (likely) supposed to be in the game, thus DICE wouldn't have programmed a suppressed velocity for the shotguns.

IDK how you'd test for lowered muzzle velocity, but I think increased hipfire spread could simply be tested by a side by side comparison. I'd do this but I don't have recording gear. Plus in BF3 wasn't there a Youtube vidja showing a suppressed SPAS-12?



suppressed spas was a DICE employee thing. and you can test for velocity by timing how many frames it takes for the projectile to hit or just check it projectile drop.

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Thursday, February 26th 2015, 12:50pm

@elementofprgress
I could, but could I not safely assume DICE didn't do this on purpose, and that since it's a bug that there would be no programmed suppressed MV?

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Thursday, February 26th 2015, 7:40pm

Just a thoughtŚweapons with already low muzzle velocity don't get reduced further. The Suppressor dropped everything down to 320, and iirc, shotgun slugs were already low like that anyway, so the SPAS suppressed probably saw little to no MV decrease.

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