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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 4:01am

are lmg's good and if they are whats the best?

So far lmg's are lacking compared to carbines and ar's but why and when are they amazing?
i am not going to mention pdw's because they just do what pdw's do.
the lmg's that actually can copete agaist carbines and ar's are the mg4,m249 and thats it!
the others are pretty useless.whitch ones do you think are the best and why you should use them over other guns.thnx

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 4:20am

OK... Your post is a tad disorganized, but whatever. I'll assume you're younger, or not a native English speaker.

Anyways, the LMGs are a different option. ARs are superior, but not by much. However, LMGs do have some amazing advantages. Mainly, huge magazines and sometimes accuracy.

Also, I'll admit, LMGs are somewhat lacking, except MG4 and QBB (strafing LMG).
GPMGs, however, are lyfe. Any and all are good at any and all ranges, with different attachments.

Try out all of them: M240B, PKP Pecheneg, and last (but certainly not least) M60-E4

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 4:42am

Unless there is any carbine with a >50 round magazine and a decent long range damage model with a good MV I fail to see how LMGs are worthless next to carbines (or any other weapon class for that matter).

Sure, if all you do is stick to extreme CQB carbines are probably your thing (unless we are talking about MG4 + stubby), but at anything beyond that their large magazines and long range potential make LMGs are really worthwhile.

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It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 4:44am

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 8:53am

You have insulted the Support Gods. Prepare to be smited by them.

No, seriously, lmgs require a bit of a different play style to be effective. Since you say that I'm assuming that you're an aggressive sort of player. Lmgs do benefit from a bit more of a defensive play style. Most aggressive people will immediately be turned off by this, but I don't mean bipod down in the back of the map. Playing cover well and moving from cover to cover is all you need to do. Let the enemy come to you, that way you control the engagement. That being said, you will occasionally run into an enemy around the corner, but that's what C4 is for. Plus I do run with a Shorty on my support class because of this.

200 rounds! How are you saying that's bad? Plus, lmgs have much higher suppression than ARs and carbines. Try headglitching with an lmg. I can guarantee the enemy won't be able to shoot back. Also, I don't really get the mentality that slow rpm instantly means it's bad. Granted, they won't perform as well in close quarters as an AEK but most of your engagements won't, if you can move around well enough, be running into an enemy around a corner. It should be playing cover effectively, especially with an lmg.

As to my favourite lmg, well, look at my signature. But all the GPMGs are great and can out dps a lot of ARs/carbines, also the QBB is actually quite good with the HB ergo setup.

What I really don't get is why you're asking this when your gun with most number of kills is the MG4.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

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Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 9:01am

i am actually typing on my kindle so thats why my words are a little muddled up.sorry.i have tried every lmg and the mg4,m24ob,pkp and type 88 are pretty good.which one of these do you think is the best or do you recomened any others?thanks for your help,i really appreciate it

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 9:27am

i am actually typing on my kindle so thats why my words are a little muddled up.sorry.i have tried every lmg and the mg4,m24ob,pkp and type 88 are pretty good.which one of these do you think is the best or do you recomened any others?thanks for your help,i really appreciate it

M420BLAZEIT (M240B). Equal dps in CQB to the AEK (provided all bullets are on target) and very good at long range due to it's tap firing ability and high damage. If you want something a bit more controllable/forgiving but still has high dps go with the MG4 or M249. QBB strafing setup is fun to use as well. Although I will say the Ultimax is surprisingly good if you use it right.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 9:50am

i am actually typing on my kindle so thats why my words are a little muddled up.sorry.i have tried every lmg and the mg4,m24ob,pkp and type 88 are pretty good.which one of these do you think is the best or do you recomened any others?thanks for your help,i really appreciate it

M420BLAZEIT (M240B). Equal dps in CQB to the AEK (provided all bullets are on target) and very good at long range due to it's tap firing ability and high damage. If you want something a bit more controllable/forgiving but still has high dps go with the MG4 or M249. QBB strafing setup is fun to use as well. Although I will say the Ultimax is surprisingly good if you use it right.

M240B gets a TTK advantage over PKP only when the sixth consecutive bullet is fired. For shorter bursts, i.e. all non-bipodded or non-Locker-stubby-max-spread gameplay, PKP is always better. The only real and yet pretty minor upside of M240B is the muzzle velocity.
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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 10:10am

My issue with the GPMGs is that they can be very inconsistent at range.

Not only is their horizontal recoil more uncontrollable, but their end damage of 25 means that if even a single bullet hits body armor or the leg hitbox you need an extra shot to finish off an enemy. With the 5.56 MGs you can afford to hit the x0.93 hitbox with two bullets and still need the same number of shots to kill.

Granted, when you do get those double headshots back to back it feels like you're the terminator.

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Saturday, January 24th 2015, 10:39am

so is the pkp better or the m24ob?