CS5 suppressor vs other snipers with suppressors

Snaqulator

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Thursday, March 17th 2016, 12:51pm

So, is there a reason to use CS5 with suppressor? Stats say it has 400 ms velocity without it, and 300 ms with it.

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Thursday, March 17th 2016, 1:00pm

You have to select silencer as an attachment when comparing it against stuff to get real numbers. Generally this applies to all weapons with integrated components.

We didn't know there would be such stuff when we first created Symthic v4, so implementing integrated weapons at bottom level of code would be messy.

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Thursday, March 17th 2016, 1:12pm

But you can take the supressor off so it is not integrated?

Just trying to master the bolt action rifles and was just wondering should I use this with or without the suppressor.

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Thursday, March 17th 2016, 1:30pm

Nope. Integrated attachments are always attached to the weapon.

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Thursday, March 17th 2016, 2:43pm

Not to argue with you, but you CAN take the supressor off on CS5

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Thursday, March 17th 2016, 3:04pm

Quoted from "Snaqulator"

Not to argue with you, but you CAN take the supressor off on CS5

Oh uhm.... I totally didn't brainfart here. For some reason I kept thinking of AS-VAL when I first said word "integrated suppressor" <.<. Sorry, my bad!

Suppressor only reduces muzzle velocity and increases hip spread slightly. Normally, for bolt actions, this means more than halved muzzle velocity but for CS5 it's only 1/4 of its muzzle velocity.
Thus the difference won't be the largest, but it can make a difference at long range sniping. The usefulness of silencer depends quite a bit on your general playstyle and on how far you engage your enemies.

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Sunday, March 27th 2016, 12:07pm

Personally, the CS5 is nice because there isn't too much of a difference between the suppressed version and unsupressed. Either way, with the lowest muzzle velocity of all the sniper rifles, it's not that viable for long range sniping. (Despite having identical bullet drop as the SRR-61 and FY-JS)

My advice, use the suppressor unless you absolutely need the extra 100 meters per second.

I love the math behind the statistics
It's possible to find me online at almost any given time, due to the fact that my schedule is hectic and rather non-existent.

Who needs sleep anyways?
(PC/PS4 gamer)

Various bf4 spreadsheets: (nothing special, just raw data from the Symthic website put into a spreadsheet to analyze all values at once)

Spoiler

General Weapon spreadsheet:
BF4_Weapons_enhanced_UPDATED_2016
Soldier Equipment:
BF4_Gadget_Damage
Interactive Damage Table
bf4_dmg_at_range - Google Sheets
Unsuppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Charts
bf4_sniper_guide
Suppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Charts
Suppressed bf4_sniper_guide
More user friendly Unsuppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Chart
Friendlier Sniper rifle Bullet Drop Chart
More user friendly Suppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Chart
Friendlier Suppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Chart

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Monday, March 28th 2016, 7:54pm

What they said. Basically: If suppressed, always CS5. If not suppressed, M40 or something else...but not CS5.

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Sunday, April 10th 2016, 7:04am

CS5 scores lower on velocity than all the other sniper rifles in both suppressed and unsuppressed.

I can show muzzle velocities of all of the sniper rifles...

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CSLR4 + JNG90 = 670 m/s OR suppressed 380 m/s
M40A5 + SV98 = 520 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
Scout Elite = 640 m/s OR suppressed 360 m/s
338 Recon = 560 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
M98b = 650 m/s OR suppressed 360 m/s
SRR-61 = 620 m/s OR suppressed 340 m/s
FY-JS = 630 m/s OR suppressed 340 m/s
GOL MAGNUM = 580 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
L115/L96A1 = 630 m/s OR suppressed 360 m/s
SR338 = 600 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
CS5 = 400 m/s OR suppressed 300 m/s

Basically, If you absolutely need a suppressor and don't have one unlocked for any other sniper rifle, the CS5 has it unlocked by default.
OR
If you want the fastest firing bolt action rifle, the CS5 has it.
Otherwise, the CS5 pretty much under-performs everything else.

I love the math behind the statistics
It's possible to find me online at almost any given time, due to the fact that my schedule is hectic and rather non-existent.

Who needs sleep anyways?
(PC/PS4 gamer)

Various bf4 spreadsheets: (nothing special, just raw data from the Symthic website put into a spreadsheet to analyze all values at once)

Spoiler

General Weapon spreadsheet:
BF4_Weapons_enhanced_UPDATED_2016
Soldier Equipment:
BF4_Gadget_Damage
Interactive Damage Table
bf4_dmg_at_range - Google Sheets
Unsuppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Charts
bf4_sniper_guide
Suppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Charts
Suppressed bf4_sniper_guide
More user friendly Unsuppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Chart
Friendlier Sniper rifle Bullet Drop Chart
More user friendly Suppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Chart
Friendlier Suppressed Sniper Rifle Bullet Drop Chart

KDNS

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Monday, April 11th 2016, 3:40pm

Quoted from "lope_a_dope"

CS5 scores lower on velocity than all the other sniper rifles in both suppressed and unsuppressed.

I can show muzzle velocities of all of the sniper rifles...

Spoiler

CSLR4 + JNG90 = 670 m/s OR suppressed 380 m/s
M40A5 + SV98 = 520 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
Scout Elite = 640 m/s OR suppressed 360 m/s
338 Recon = 560 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
M98b = 650 m/s OR suppressed 360 m/s
SRR-61 = 620 m/s OR suppressed 340 m/s
FY-JS = 630 m/s OR suppressed 340 m/s
GOL MAGNUM = 580 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
L115/L96A1 = 630 m/s OR suppressed 360 m/s
SR338 = 600 m/s OR suppressed 330 m/s
CS5 = 400 m/s OR suppressed 300 m/s

Basically, If you absolutely need a suppressor and don't have one unlocked for any other sniper rifle, the CS5 has it unlocked by default.
OR
If you want the fastest firing bolt action rifle, the CS5 has it.
Otherwise, the CS5 pretty much under-performs everything else.

Once you've got a suppressor on it, any BASR fires rounds that move so slow that the difference between them is kinda irrelevant. If you're actually using a suppressor on a BASR, muzzle velocity is clearly of no concern, so you'll be looking at the other stats (which are also highly important within 50m which you will be if you need a suppressor) like ROF and mag size and hipfire and reload time... all of which, the CS5 wins.