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Visceral responds to weapon balance (and to Symthic)

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Friday, July 3rd 2015, 7:00pm

Balancing by ease if use is already in BF4, although to a much lesser extent than in Hardlol. AR160 vs. CZ-805, F2000 vs. AEK, ACE 23 vs. L85/M416. And that's just ARs.
Note: first example is the best, the others are arguably just different guns.

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Friday, July 3rd 2015, 10:51pm

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AR160 vs. CZ-805, F2000 vs. AEK FAMAS, ACE 23 M416 vs. L85/M416 ACE 23. And that's just ARs.
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Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

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Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

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But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Quoted from "Zer0Cod3x"

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

Quoted from "Pastafarianism"

I... I...

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Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Saturday, July 4th 2015, 8:19pm

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Hardline's steep drop off is due to the "smaller" maps. It's the only way for damage drop off to matter in their eyes. Also, the M1911 is one of the higher damage model pistols at 55 damage now. They use this to strong CQB damage to justify steep drop off as well.


That makes sense balance wise, but not to the degree it's at now. Dropping as fast and as hard as weapons do now just makes them inconsistent, and at >8m you might as well melee.
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Saturday, July 4th 2015, 8:38pm

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Hardline's steep drop off is due to the "smaller" maps. It's the only way for damage drop off to matter in their eyes. Also, the M1911 is one of the higher damage model pistols at 55 damage now. They use this to strong CQB damage to justify steep drop off as well.


That makes sense balance wise, but not to the degree it's at now. Dropping as fast and as hard as weapons do now just makes them inconsistent, and at >8m you might as well melee.


Steep drop off seems to be a trait for the majority of the weapons but I think they're aware of how "inconsistent" it is.

I'm thinking they aren't looking for a gradual decrease in performance but a binary system of "good here, shit there."
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Saturday, July 4th 2015, 8:42pm

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Hardline's steep drop off is due to the "smaller" maps. It's the only way for damage drop off to matter in their eyes. Also, the M1911 is one of the higher damage model pistols at 55 damage now. They use this to strong CQB damage to justify steep drop off as well.


That makes sense balance wise, but not to the degree it's at now. Dropping as fast and as hard as weapons do now just makes them inconsistent, and at >8m you might as well melee.


Steep drop off seems to be a trait for the majority of the weapons but I think they're aware of how "inconsistent" it is.

I'm thinking they aren't looking for a gradual decrease in performance but a binary system of "good here, shit there."

While the idea makes sense, it's absolutely horrible for gameplay. A difference of 5 meter (which, honestly, is nothing...) can mean the difference between a 3hk and a 9hk in some instances.

"eh it'll take another bullet at this range...pewpew......why...pewpepwew..WON'T...RATATATATATATA YOU BAMBAMBMAAMBAM F*CKING DIE ALREADY?!?!"
*target turns arout and executes a perfect 4hk with a .25 total horizontal assault rifle after getting hit by 8 consecutive rounds to the testicular area*

...*ahem* .-. ...yeh

The thing hardline did well was the technical things. There are so many cutesy little features that would, honestly, be great to have a in bf4 (or any other battlefield, for the matter). But a lot of things went really wrong as well.
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