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Sunday, December 6th 2015, 10:03pm

HK51 burst fire=DA BEST, MANG

I was thrilled to see that battle rifles were buffed in the latest patch. The SCAR-H was improved massively, to my delight. My favorite change , however, is the HK51's 800 RPM burst fire option. I can finally out-damage that pesky FAL (I don't have any DLC weapons). I've completely dropped the SA-58, and once I get the HK51 license, I'll use it on both factions at least 75% of the time.

Who else has been using this absolute monster of a weapon? What attachments do you run? I've found that stock, compensator, and stubby grip work best so I can go for maximum RPM. Heavy barrel/angled grip is too much recoil. Plus stubby+stock is 2stronk.

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Monday, December 7th 2015, 9:49pm

Please, no, the compensator is garbage in Hardline. Muzzle brake.

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Monday, December 7th 2015, 9:56pm

I was thrilled to see that battle rifles were buffed in the latest patch. The SCAR-H was improved massively, to my delight. My favorite change , however, is the HK51's 800 RPM burst fire option. I can finally out-damage that pesky FAL (I don't have any DLC weapons). I've completely dropped the SA-58, and once I get the HK51 license, I'll use it on both factions at least 75% of the time.

Who else has been using this absolute monster of a weapon? What attachments do you run? I've found that stock, compensator, and stubby grip work best so I can go for maximum RPM. Heavy barrel/angled grip is too much recoil. Plus stubby+stock is 2stronk.

Compensator literally makes the weapon less accurate. HBAR already reduces recoil, and it has next to no vertical in the first place. The HK51 already (ironically) has some of the most horizontal recoil in the game, and the Compensator just makes it worse. Pls no.

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You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

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Saturday, December 12th 2015, 5:25pm

Y'all are tripping. First of all, the compensator reduces vertical recoil in this game. This isn't BF4. Muzzle brake has almost no recoil reduction, and I don't like the penalty to moving while firing with the HBAR. My accuracy barely even matters when my max spread is so low thanks to stubby/stock. I'm mag dumping most of the time. Even if there's better load outs on paper, I've found what works best for me.

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Saturday, December 12th 2015, 6:16pm

Muzzle brake has almost no recoil reduction

A 50% reduction is actually quite significant when you have 0.7 total H-Rec.

Go with what you like, but muzzle brake/HB are statistically the best.
something something Model 8 bestgun


How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Saturday, December 12th 2015, 6:37pm

Stock + Stubby maxSpread negates moving spread penalty as well

I think HBar is safer compared to compensator
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Saturday, December 12th 2015, 8:04pm

Y'all are tripping. First of all, the compensator reduces vertical recoil in this game. This isn't BF4. Muzzle brake has almost no recoil reduction, and I don't like the penalty to moving while firing with the HBAR. My accuracy barely even matters when my max spread is so low thanks to stubby/stock. I'm mag dumping most of the time. Even if there's better load outs on paper, I've found what works best for me.


We know. Comp decreases vrecoil (which is 95% 5% predictable, and therefore does not contribute to inaccuracy). It increases Hrecoil, which is completely random, contributing greatly to inaccuracy.

Compensator LITERALLY makes the weapon less accurate.

(not to mention that Comp. also increases weapon SIPS, while the other barrels have no penalties)

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"you obviously don't know what an argument is as there is only one person battling. Do you really fucking think I want subs? You think you can act all big and powerful just because you sit on a computer at least 6 hours a day like the probably nerdy unwanted retard you are with 4.3k subs? You think 4.3k subs is a lot? LOL you need medicine man. I don't want any subs as i just have a google account for other media and writing comments. Think twice before you act. You even said in your video you aren't that great of a player, and the comments agree you aren't. Maybe you should once again think twice before you act, stop being such an annoying, ignorant bastard that everyone wants to shut up, and god, literally, just shut up. Your voice gave me a headache :s"

"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

"Stfu man, you're be littleing the most looked upon Battlefield Youtuber. No one cares about you, how much of an ego you have, or quite frankly your opinion. It's a fucking game.... Does it really fucking matter? Pathetic man."

"fuck you asshole, dont talk shit about total"

"Wtf is your problem? You have no subs and he has millions, yet you pick on him like some kind of stubborn, ignorant, rude child born with a silver spoon is his mouth. It's easy to do that, for example... You said there was no background noise yet there is. You say you're a fairly good player, you're not."

"please talk like a normal person and not like a professional"