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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 11:28pm

Spread Decrease = 0.15
feels like a mistake. is it seriously that low? shouldn't it be 15?


It is 15.0
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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 11:44pm

Well at least slugs will be nice for the KSG.

Hate that weapon. Such a cheaply made piece of garbage. I got the chance to fire one a few months back—there were problems. Problems everywhere. I guess it was light and all, but the functionality left much to be desired.

Much like this game.

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"you obviously don't know what an argument is as there is only one person battling. Do you really fucking think I want subs? You think you can act all big and powerful just because you sit on a computer at least 6 hours a day like the probably nerdy unwanted retard you are with 4.3k subs? You think 4.3k subs is a lot? LOL you need medicine man. I don't want any subs as i just have a google account for other media and writing comments. Think twice before you act. You even said in your video you aren't that great of a player, and the comments agree you aren't. Maybe you should once again think twice before you act, stop being such an annoying, ignorant bastard that everyone wants to shut up, and god, literally, just shut up. Your voice gave me a headache :s"

"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

"Stfu man, you're be littleing the most looked upon Battlefield Youtuber. No one cares about you, how much of an ego you have, or quite frankly your opinion. It's a fucking game.... Does it really fucking matter? Pathetic man."

"fuck you asshole, dont talk shit about total"

"Wtf is your problem? You have no subs and he has millions, yet you pick on him like some kind of stubborn, ignorant, rude child born with a silver spoon is his mouth. It's easy to do that, for example... You said there was no background noise yet there is. You say you're a fairly good player, you're not."

"please talk like a normal person and not like a professional"

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Sunday, June 14th 2015, 11:58pm

SG510

Spoiler Spoiler

Max Damage = 43
Min Damage = 25
Drop-off Start = 20
Drop-off End = 50
Firerate = 600
Firerate (Burst) = 600
Muzzle Velocty = 410m/s
Bullet Drop = 15m/s
Mag Size = 25
Projectile = 762x51mmNATO_BattleRifle

Reload (Empty) = 2.4
Reload (Left) = 1.9
Reload Threshold = 0.5x

Ads-Recoil Up = 0.9
Ads-Recoil Left = 0.15
Ads-Recoil Right = 0.25
Ads-Recoil Decrease = 15
Ads-1st Shot Multiplier = 1.1

Spread Increase = 0.4
Spread Decrease = 15
ADS - Not Moving = 0.2
ADS - Moving = 1.0
Hip-Standing-Not Moving = 2.0
Hip-Standing-Moving = 3.5
Hip-Crouch-Not Moving = 2.5
Hip-Crouch-Moving = 3.0
Hip-Prone-Not Moving = 2.0
Hip-Prone-Moving = 2.5

FN Fal

Spoiler Spoiler

Max Damage = 43
Min Damage = 25
Drop-off Start = 30
Drop-off End = 60
Firerate = 700
Firerate (Burst) = 700
Muzzle Velocty = 650m/s
Bullet Drop = 15m/s
Mag Size = 21
Projectile = 762x51mmNATO_BattleRifle_LongRange

Reload (Empty) = 2.5
Reload (Left) = 1.8
Reload Threshold = 0.6x

Ads-Recoil Up = 1.3
Ads-Recoil Left = 0.3
Ads-Recoil Right = 0.35
Ads-Recoil Decrease = 20
Ads-1st Shot Multiplier = 1.2

Spread Increase = 0.4
Spread Decrease = 15
ADS - Not Moving = 0.15
ADS - Moving = 1.0
Hip-Standing-Not Moving = 2.0
Hip-Standing-Moving = 3.5
Hip-Crouch-Not Moving = 2.5
Hip-Crouch-Moving = 3.0
Hip-Prone-Not Moving = 2.0
Hip-Prone-Moving = 2.5

Is it just me or is there zero reason to use SG510 over FN FAL?
Just a quick comparison of key differences - SG510 / FN FAL / SA-58

Drop-off Start = 20 / 30 / 20
Drop-off End = 50 / 60 / 50
Firerate = 600 / 700 / 650
Muzzle Velocity = 410 / 650 / 840
Mag Size = 25 / 21 / 21

Reload (Empty) = 2.4 / 2.5 / 2.5
Reload (Left) = 1.9 / 1.8 / 1.8

Ads-Recoil Up = 0.9 / 1.3 / 1
Ads-Recoil Left = 0.15 / 0.3 / 0.2
Ads-Recoil Right = 0.25 / 0.35 / 0.4
Ads-Recoil Decrease = 15 / 20 / 12
Ads-1st Shot Multiplier = 1.1 / 1.2 / 1.1

Spread Increase = 0.4 / 0.4 / 0.2
ADS - Not Moving = 0.2 / 0.15 / 0.2

So FN has more recoil, but nothing that a comp/brake/angled can't sort out. For all other puposes it seems to be a superior choice at ALL ranges over the SG.

But overall SA-58 seems to be the best choice out of all of them simply due to SG/FN having that hilarious 0.4 SIPS vs SA's 0.2 SIPS (and that brutally fast velocity). Seriously, 0.4 SIPS on the SG510...WTF.

Unless I'm missing something big, or this is just Visceral balance being...Visceral balance.

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Monday, June 15th 2015, 12:43am


Unless I'm missing something big, or this is just Visceral balance being...Visceral balance.

It appears that they haven't wizened up one bit, sadly. And I mean, even assuming that the 0.15 spread decrease of the Tommy Gun is just a typo, it's still very wacky.
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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Monday, June 15th 2015, 3:18am

But the FAL gets the stubby stock combo which results to having a SIPS of .1, better than the SA.

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Monday, June 15th 2015, 9:57am

@Xuvial

SG510 has 25 rounds in the mag and can equip extended mags to bump this up to 30 (not 31).

But otherwise, unless you're looking for a larger mag or slightly lower recoil, it is Visceral balance.
something something Model 8 bestgun


How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

@Veritable
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But...
Wha...
I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.

FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS

SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.

In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.


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Monday, June 15th 2015, 12:35pm

But the FAL gets the stubby stock combo which results to having a SIPS of .1, better than the SA.

While you're technically correct, it's basically more like "But the FAL gets the stubby stock combo so it doesn't have any SIPS at all".
Zormau - Battlelog / Battlefield 4

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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Tuesday, June 16th 2015, 10:02am

Spread Decrease = 0.15
feels like a mistake. is it seriously that low? shouldn't it be 15?


It is 15.0

yeah, sorry, accidentally put 0.15, but yeah, it's 15, changed it now, thanks!

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Tuesday, June 16th 2015, 1:51pm

Seems the DLC got delayed thanks to problems with the accompanying patch.

Do we know those exact patch changes by the way?

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Tuesday, June 16th 2015, 1:56pm

Seems the DLC got delayed thanks to problems with the accompanying patch.

Do we know those exact patch changes by the way?

I'll wait till they release full DLC before updating the site, mainly because that patching "halfway" seems to bug processing the files bit.
I don't know for 100% what is moved to main BFH but here you can find all the raw changes compared to CTE on 14th June: http://bfdata.juhala.io/#BFH_changes_CTE_14th_June/$
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • InterimAegis - Weapon comparisons/scoring.
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • pmax - Statistical analysis of BF4 players/games.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included