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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 11:59am

@TheMightyVoice
That's true, but lets just say I have a reaaaaaally good hunch about EA marketing being behind the communication with devs mainly on marketing purposes, and I mean a really good one. Also these guys spend their daily workhours on tweaking their game so I'd imagine they know more about it than any of us.
Anyways getting bit derailed. I'll post weapon changlelog asap when update comes out and we'll see what they missed from changelog again x3
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 12:27pm

@TheMightyVoice
That's true, but lets just say I have a reaaaaaally good hunch about EA marketing being behind the communication with devs mainly on marketing purposes, and I mean a really good one. Also these guys spend their daily workhours on tweaking their game so I'd imagine they know more about it than any of us.
Anyways getting bit derailed. I'll post weapon changlelog asap when update comes out and we'll see what they missed from changelog again x3
I can agree that the marketing team definitely has more reasons to do it, but as to the second comment (devs knowing more about it than players)... Can confirm this isn't always true. It's slightly depressing when it's not.

MORE TO THE TOPIC.
I'm not really seeing the complaints behind the K10 max damage change... I mean, it's still got the same TTK as BF3's AN-94, but more consistent because you don't even have to worry about limb shots :| Oh no, I have to wait an extra 20th of a second for my killshot against a target with full health, woe is me...
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 3:41pm

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Oh no, I have to wait an extra 20th of a second for my killshot against a target with full health, woe is me...

Excellent point.

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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 4:18pm

I like damage consistency among calibres, but something had to be done about the K10. 33 dmg is no big deal.

However, 8 damage min is a little too obnoxious. 7 headshots with a .45 ACP? 13 BTK? Come on. Why not give it a massive spread increase to nerf long range efficiency? You can't put a stubby on it.

AKM nerf makes sense vs battle rifles, but never should it have the same BTK as the 5.56 M(4)16 at any range. Something obviously needs to be done about them.

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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 4:24pm

It's a shame the two best PDW's are both cop-specific ones though



UMP-45.



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I know you're buttmad about your AKM getting nerfed, but an AR firing a worse round than a BR shouldn't be out-damaging BRs at range. It's that simple and the problem now lies with the M16/416 being grossly unbalanced, not the AKM being nerfed too strongly.



As for the K10, considering the ease of use at point-blank range and the rest of the TTKs in the game, boo fucking hoo. Shit was too strong at close range and almost still is. At range it could use SOME help, but considering how good the revolvers are at medium range the K10 doesn't get any sympathy from me.
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 4:25pm

but never should it have the same BTK as the 5.56 M(4)16 at any range

I like this part.

I don't understand why the BRs and the AKM can't have the same min damage, though. Why does the AKM need to be worse in this regard? It already has shittier recoil and a slower RoF than the two big boys of the BR class (SCARH/SA58)

but an AR firing a worse round than a BR shouldn't be out-damaging BRs at range.

Don't both the AKM and the BRs fire 7.62?

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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 4:27pm

Why does the AKM need to be worse in this regard?



Because it's NOT a Battle Rifle, it's an Assault Rifle. It also fires a round that is inherently less effective at range so the damage change makes sense both in weapon class balancing and in authenticity.

It's the other ARs that are the problem here.
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 4:30pm


Because it's NOT a Battle Rifle, it's an Assault Rifle. It also fires a round that is inherently less accurate at range so the damage change makes sense both in weapon class balancing and in authenticity.

It's the other ARs that are the problem here.


And why can't they be the same? As I've said, the AKM is already outclassed in CQB by the other ARs and even the BRs (technically, it's fine, but functionally, it's worse than the higher RoF weapons, and I say this as someone who uses it a ton), and now it loses its range advantage. As much as I like using the AKM, I'd prefer a SCAR-H or an SA-58 in CQB than an AKM.

Take away the range advantage, and the AK has nothing.

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"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 4:36pm

And why can't they be the same? As I've said, the AKM is already outclassed in CQB by the other ARs and even the BRs (technically, it's fine, but functionally, it's worse than the higher RoF weapons, and I say this as someone who uses it a ton), and now it loses its range advantage. As much as I like using the AKM, I'd prefer a SCAR-H or an SA-58 in CQB than an AKM.

Take away the range advantage, and the AK has nothing.



It SHOULD be better at range than the other ARs but not the Battle Rifles. *M16/416 are imbalanced, Battle Rifles are not*

If you'd prefer using a Battle Rifle over an Assault Rifle, then don't play Operator and expect weapons of different classes to be balanced the same. The BRs have their clear disadvantages vs the ARs and vice versa. The AKM is still an AR.

As for RoF, that's a characteristic thing.

It shoots bullets, it still kills things. So you have to land an extra shot a min damage range, boo hoo. If I can counter-snipe with a SCAR-H *now* then you can deal with the AKM's fixed damage.
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 4:40pm


Because it's NOT a Battle Rifle, it's an Assault Rifle. It also fires a round that is inherently less accurate at range so the damage change makes sense both in weapon class balancing and in authenticity.

It's the other ARs that are the problem here.


And why can't they be the same? As I've said, the AKM is already outclassed in CQB by the other ARs and even the BRs (technically, it's fine, but functionally, it's worse than the higher RoF weapons, and I say this as someone who uses it a ton), and now it loses its range advantage. As much as I like using the AKM, I'd prefer a SCAR-H or an SA-58 in CQB than an AKM.

Take away the range advantage, and the AK has nothing.

Doesn't look like the same bullet to me...
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<elementofprgress> yummm baby jesus
<elementofprgress> but i'd prefer jesus with ketchup

<cloon> women are allowed to play hockey?
<daddygreeenjeans> body checks are a fundamental part of women's suffrage

<Riesig> "... I'M GAY..."

steamboat28: the doctors at the ER found my nipples, too!
steamboat28: it just..y'know...took them a razor and two orderlies.

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<Rezal> peipin, why did you tell them you brought your phone?
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