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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 12:29am

BFH Patch #1

Thought it would be good to have a separate thread for patch discussions.

BFHL PATCH #1 - Patc - Forums - Battlelog
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Things to note:
- K10: Reduce max damage to 33 and min damage to 8
- Saiga and PTR: reduce recoil to bring more in line with Cop faction DMRs
- HCAR and HK51: reduce recoil to bring more in line with SCAR-H and SA-58
- .410 Jury: Increase damage per pellet to become more effective
- FMG-9: increase damage per round to 25 and push out falloff start range to make these weapons more effective
- Battlerifle min damage increased to 25 across the board
- AKM min damage reduced to 24

Boring changes:
- Fixed a server crash in Rescue
- Increased the character limit in the MapList to support up to 150 maps in a rotation
- You can now set the time limit to 0 and it disables the time limit instead of instantly ending the round in Blood Money
- Various fixes for server crashes with rental servers (multiple issues addressed)
- Fix for the timer in Conquest freezing when the user set the time limit higher than 800
- Fix for MP squad join issue where after the squad leader gets disconnected, a new leader cannot kick members or disband
- Fix for the patch awarded in released game for reaching Rank 10 in the Beta
- Fix for Derailed Levolution where players were teleported to origin of Point B and killed in some circumstances
- Fix for crash if the UI is disabled in the .cfg file
- Fix for Bloodmoney exploit in HH where players could access the money pile through the floor/roof
- Fix on XB1 for players using invite/join on friend after Quickmatching
- Fix for the Uzi's weapon license cost, setting it to the correct value of $50,000
- Fix for X360 players being unable to invite friends while playing Rescue
- Fix for a rare crash in the Customize screen
- All platforms, miscellaneous low frequency crash fixes

- Conquest tickets increased (CQL 999, CQS 600)
- Greatly decreased nearby bullet impact flinch; your aimpoint will not shift from rounds striking the environment near you
- Fixed some issues with FLIR/IRNV
- RPG reduced to 1 ammo from back of cars, with smaller explosion radius overall thus requiring more skill to use effectively
- TDM friendzones have been adjusted for better spawning
- Rescue / Crosshair exploit where players could skip the round start time by hitting START or ESC has been fixed
- Couch health reduced and repair rate decreased to a miniscule amount, making the Couch the one-off it was intended
- Player should no longer Quickmatch into servers with unsupported numbers of players

Good job with the AKM 24 minimum damage, Visceral
Way to make the Operator weapons more balanced. Now there is absolutely no reason to use anything other than M416/M16
I mean, the AKM was relevant because infinite 2HK head, but there's no reason to use it over the others now. Keep it up, Visceral.

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You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

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"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 12:31am

it still has faster ttk up close, what doesn't make sense is the k10, thing it's just useless now.
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 12:35am

it still has faster ttk up close, what doesn't make sense is the k10, thing it's just useless now.


Technically, yes, it does. Functionally, it doesn't. I think I remember finding that the SCARH of BF4 (back when 3-4 hit kills were a thing) was approximately equivalent to the F2000. The AKM actually fires more slowly than the SCAR did, even though it has a better dropoff. Either way, it's a 2HK head for both AKM and M16/416. This means that, when heads hotting, the AKM is irrelevant. And even then, the M416/M16 have the ability to hipfire, since their RoF buffers any issues with accuracy the user might have. The AKM requires the user to hit 100% of his shots, which makes it extremely difficult to use.

K10 still outkills most things up close w/ 1200RPM, and has negligible spread inc. and recoil compared to many other weapons. There's no doubt that the thing had to be nerfed; almost 100% of the mechanics I've seen who were more than rank 20 were using it.

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"you obviously don't know what an argument is as there is only one person battling. Do you really fucking think I want subs? You think you can act all big and powerful just because you sit on a computer at least 6 hours a day like the probably nerdy unwanted retard you are with 4.3k subs? You think 4.3k subs is a lot? LOL you need medicine man. I don't want any subs as i just have a google account for other media and writing comments. Think twice before you act. You even said in your video you aren't that great of a player, and the comments agree you aren't. Maybe you should once again think twice before you act, stop being such an annoying, ignorant bastard that everyone wants to shut up, and god, literally, just shut up. Your voice gave me a headache :s"

"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

"Stfu man, you're be littleing the most looked upon Battlefield Youtuber. No one cares about you, how much of an ego you have, or quite frankly your opinion. It's a fucking game.... Does it really fucking matter? Pathetic man."

"fuck you asshole, dont talk shit about total"

"Wtf is your problem? You have no subs and he has millions, yet you pick on him like some kind of stubborn, ignorant, rude child born with a silver spoon is his mouth. It's easy to do that, for example... You said there was no background noise yet there is. You say you're a fairly good player, you're not."

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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 1:20am

Altering weapon damages like this seems like devs are pretty clueless about the game.
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 1:27am

damn...8 min damage for the k10? At that range, you would be better off throwing insults at your target. The emotional damage would do more than that
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 1:37am

Altering weapon damages like this seems like devs are pretty clueless about the game.

Yes they are new to MP balancing and BF franchise is a tough piece to swallow as it has so many weapons (well, not as much as BF4 but nevertheless).
But you really should also mention what is wrong with the changes, how you would do it, why it breaks up the game etc and not just go with general "lolz these are bad".

OT: K10 one is admittedly bit weird. I was expecting more balancing on CBQ range, especially RoF wise if it still breaks up the engine bit.
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  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 1:44am

I could do that. But then I'd work for Visceral and would expect some money.
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 1:53am

I could do that. But then I'd work for Visceral and would expect some money.

I don't think that's what would happen. Considering how much of our feedback regarding the balancing in the beta has done they don't seem to be paying nearly as much attention to symthic as they should so your feedback probably wouldn't even reach their ears.
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I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 1:57am

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Because they believe people like LevelCap and JackFrags are the "Battlefield Experts" worth consulting. I'm not even being sarcastic or joking. They actually called LevelCap, JackFrags, and the other people they bring in "experts."
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Wednesday, April 1st 2015, 2:15am

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Because they believe people like LevelCap and JackFrags are the "Battlefield Experts" worth consulting. I'm not even being sarcastic or joking. They actually called LevelCap, JackFrags, and the other people they bring in "experts."

I know I read that post. I am not even opposed to them asking youtubers to give input, but the dregree to which they are reasonable consultants varies a lot. I find JackFrags' and Bajur's insights somewhat more reasonable than, say, levelcap's.

Anyway these changes will indeed fix *some* issues, but leave many others unaddressed and introduce new ones.

I kind of laughed at TheRussianBadger's "post-video text" saying that the Glock is the best assault rifle because of how much truth there is to it. It's sure as hell better than any PDW at everything except mag size.
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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?