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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 1:28pm

I find the 0.171s time to live on buckshot a bit off-putting. I mean, it's not that buckshot would be effective anyway at about 50m, but the pellets don't really vanish either. They do so here.

I'm also not sure which ammo is uesed by which gun. It would make sense that the SPAS-12 actuallly uses the Buckshot_Semi, but I can't tell from just looking at the files. The Stakeout probably uses the 12g_DBD09_Flechette in MP and not the 12g_DBD09, but I can't verify that either. The 12g_Flechette Noctyrne mentioned exists as an ammo type in the files but is not mentioned in the firingfunction parts of any shotgun available. Only the 870MCS is clear, as the only ammo mentioned in the main file is 12g_Buckshot.
Zormau - Battlelog / Battlefield 4

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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 2:45pm

Stats in a better format (without code inserts!)

SPAS-12:
Buckshot_Semi, 11 Pellets
15-6 damage
12-25m dropoff ranges

300 m/s initial velocity
9.81 m/sē bullet drop
0.171s time to live
51.3m max range

200 RPM (there are hints to 600 but I don't think it fired that fast in the beta)

Pellet cone: presumably 2.5° (there are hints at 3.0, though)

Gun spread:
ADS: 0.1 standing, 0.4 moving, 1.5 max
Hip: 1.5 standing, 3.0 moving, 7 max
SIPS: 1.2
Spread. Dec: 15

Recoil: 2.0 up, 1.0 left, 1.0 right. FSM = 1.0


Stakeout:
12g_DBD09_Flechette (14 pellets)
11-7.4 damage
20-50m dropoff ranges

450 m/s initial velocity
9,81 m/sē bullet drop
1.0s time to live
450m max range

0.62 boltactiontime (for flechette ammo)
-> 97 RPM

Pellet cone: 2.5 (assuming flechette ammo, 3.5 for non-flechette ammo exists in files)

Gun spread:
ADS: 0.1 standing, 0.4 moving, 1.5 max
Hip: 1.5 standing, 2.0 moving, 7 max
SIPS: 1.2
Spread. Dec: 15

Recoil: 1.5 up, 2.0 left 2.0 right. FSM = 1.0

870:
Buckshot, 12 pellets
25-6 damage
10-20m dropoff ranges

300 m/s initial velocity
9.81 m/sē bullet drop
0.171s time to live
51.3m max range

0.72 boltactiontime
-> 83 RPM

Pellet cone: 3.0

Gun Spread:
ADS: 0.1 standing, 0.4 moving, 1.5 max
Hip: 1.5 standing, 2.0 moving, 7 max
SIPS: 1.2
Spread. Dec: 15

Recoil: 2.0 up, -0.5 left, 1.5 right, FSM = 1
Zormau - Battlelog / Battlefield 4

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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 2:53pm

first of all,
Thanks to Rezal and Zormau for the shotgun data links.

Those shotgun files are really a bit confusing to check because the different 12G_ammo types that 'jumps' around the files.

For the actual behaviour for the different shotties in the game I can only say that shooting with these feels pretty wonky and unreliable at least in the xbox360.

my Shorty usage experience/example is pretty dark and sad...
I dont have chockes for the short Stakeout yet, and naked that feels like long reach melee weapon in the game, sometimes you connect nicely but most of the time its miss and scrape the enemy. This has come to the point that I really need to think when to engage enemy in point-plank range with these shotguns. I'm pretty sure that is not the intented way to flank with the shotguns.

I hope the other platforms has more solid/stable shotties.

in the Beta I had very rarely broblems with the hit detection usin shotties. I know they got hammered down in many ways from the Beta, but now the hit-detection is so weird that it makes them quite unreliable for now.

ps. this Symthic is great site. (I'm long time lurker and stats-nerd)
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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 3:10pm

Rates of fire are different with slugs:

Stakeout goes to 115 RPM with slugs

SPAS-12 gets a boltactiontime of 0.55 -> 110 RPM

870 remains unchanged at 83 RPM
Zormau - Battlelog / Battlefield 4

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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 3:20pm

This may sound silly, but do we have even a single shotty that is not a pump action? (Excl that silly shotty revolver)
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 3:22pm

yeah.

I noticed the fire rate differencies with slugs as I tried to get more solid play with the Stakeout. that was actually quite playaple mediumish range tool, and sometimes got I got few CQB-kils also. I report more field behavour of Stakeout when I get the chokes.

for reasons unknown i could not get into Spas-12 with the slugs. I mean the horrendous visual recoil made it too confusing to make accurate follow up shots. the visual recoil is actually very very ugly with all the shotties if you use some optics. to me they feel most solid with the irons, but thats just me. the real actual recoil and SIPS is no joke either with shotties...
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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 3:25pm

This may sound silly, but do we have even a single shotty that is not a pump action? (Excl that silly shotty revolver)

SPAS-12 with buckshot fires in semi auto. For arbitrary balancing reasons it switches to pump action for slugs.

It's basically a QBS-09 with 15% slower RoF and half the pellet spread (from what I could tell by playing the beta).
Zormau - Battlelog / Battlefield 4

Memorable quotes not taken yet:


Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 4:04pm

Spas-12 with the different chokes is almost usable and solid shottie in the xbox360. For now It's the most usable shottie of them all, as you can drop enemies with 2 or 3 shots mostly. very rarely i get 1-shot kills with that, even in CQB situations. I think the wonky hit-detection with all shotties causes most of the ?WTF-hernekeitto? moments to me. But Spas-12 i still can use in the conquest. only few maps for xbox360 conquest are a bit too wide and empty for the shotties, but I'm team support guy anyway, so more ammo for all the needy teammates always!

the ol'reliable Remington 870 has now way too slow fire rate to clear the rooms with good flanks where the shotties are supposed to be reliable. Face-to-Face showdowns are no-no with the shotties for me as all 'FullAutoLasers' wins the game almost every time. So good quick planning and thinking for the flank-attack is pretty much advised with the shotties, at least in the 24-player conquest this works.
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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 4:45pm

Yeah really hate they complety nerfed the 870 after the beta. It was usable finally in a BF game. And then they did that because of the same people shouting. Shotguns OP..
Espescially the new RPM killed the gun.

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Monday, March 23rd 2015, 5:57pm

This may sound silly, but do we have even a single shotty that is not a pump action? (Excl that silly shotty revolver)

SPAS-12 with buckshot fires in semi auto. For arbitrary balancing reasons it switches to pump action for slugs.

It's basically a QBS-09 with 15% slower RoF and half the pellet spread (from what I could tell by playing the beta).

Ok good. Because there only are Pump_slug files to be found and no semi or normal slug :P
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about