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Friday, February 6th 2015, 3:19am

I know it's a beta, but holy jebeezus...

The weapon balance is borked at the moment. Most weapons have ridiculously long damage drop off starts, and most guns within the class of the same type have the exact same range too.

So we start with the RO933, the starting carbine, with 24 max damage, 15 min, and a fucking ridiculous 0.6 BASE spread, and 0.8 moving (I honestly think that horrendously high spread value has worked in my favor because I get random headshots all the time lol) and an insanely high amount of recoil. So then we have the M16A3, which has 0.2 base, LESS recoil than the 933, SAME rate of fire, MUCH faster velocity, and negligible penalties to mobility (0.8 vs 1.0 is not a big difference at all). Oh and I didn't even mention the M416 effectively one-upping the M16A3 in almost every category. Then we have irrelevant guns like the L85, ACE galil or whatever its called in game, and the G36/AK74.

Then we have the AKM, which by itself is actually balanced, but the real culprit is battlerifles being worse in every possible way. They shouldn't have a min damage of 24, and it should be AT LEAST 25 to compete against it.

However, I do applaud that visceral made PDWs and shotguns rip things apart in close range when everything else kills ridiculously fast up to 40+ meters. But the UMP45 renders the M/45 useless. It needs same min damage as the M/45.

Snipers are great too. Magnum rounds actually put snipers on par with automatic weapons now that they are incredibly powerful.

Oh yeah and attachments have too much of an effect on recoil/spread and recoil needs an increase across the board.

TL;DR M16A3/M416 hideously OP, RO933 pathetically weak and needs 28 max damage, battle rifles are awful and need 27 min damage, gun skill needs to matter.

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Friday, February 6th 2015, 3:42am

an insanely high amount of recoil.

and recoil needs an increase across the board.


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anyway, i'm pretty sure there wasn't the need for a topic about this, especially because it feels like a rant.
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Friday, February 6th 2015, 2:46pm

I like the weapon balance and low TTK, it punishes fuck ups. Although I do think the PDWs' have crazy range.

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Friday, February 6th 2015, 3:41pm

Frankly I LOVE the high recoil on the RO933 and wish all the other rifles had recoil that high. It's fun trying to keep it under control and on target, and makes all the randoms who can't aim git gud or git rekt

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Friday, February 6th 2015, 4:00pm

Frankly I LOVE the high recoil on the RO933 and wish all the other rifles had recoil that high. It's fun trying to keep it under control and on target, and makes all the randoms who can't aim git gud or git rekt

but let's be honest: real life rifles don't have so much recoil.
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Friday, February 6th 2015, 4:18pm

Frankly I LOVE the high recoil on the RO933 and wish all the other rifles had recoil that high. It's fun trying to keep it under control and on target, and makes all the randoms who can't aim git gud or git rekt

but let's be honest: real life rifles don't have so much recoil.

Have you ever shot with a 7.62 rifle? They actually do have quite a bit of recoil. Outside of CQB/urban stuff with folding stock etc., one would always shoot it at semi-auto. Rk95 (the one that the kid was shooting with) is a 7.62x39mm Finnish assault rifle.

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Friday, February 6th 2015, 4:27pm

Frankly I LOVE the high recoil on the RO933 and wish all the other rifles had recoil that high. It's fun trying to keep it under control and on target, and makes all the randoms who can't aim git gud or git rekt

but let's be honest: real life rifles don't have so much recoil.


This is wrong. Shooting anything on full-auto, or even semi-auto as fast as you can pull the trigger will yield horrible results for anything but close range. And the higher your calibre is and the shorter the barrel, the worse it gets. There are reasons why one would never shoot a BA from a standing position.

BUt Visceral needs to make a decision, whether they want laser beams and therefore incredibly easy to control weapons on full-auto, creating even more balance challenges, or to make them less accurate by givign them much higher recoil, like the R0933.

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Friday, February 6th 2015, 4:45pm

It doesn't seem like Visceral know what they want. There's guns like the M416 that has almost no recoil with regards to its RPM which shreds across the board and then there are the battle rifles that all have >600 degrees of Vrec, shit for SIPS and the reward for putting up with one of those guns is a laughable 24 end damage.

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And reading Youtube comments still gives me Turbo Cancer.

It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

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Friday, February 6th 2015, 4:47pm


This is wrong. Shooting anything on full-auto, or even semi-auto as fast as you can pull the trigger will yield horrible results for anything but close range.

that is given from spread though, not from recoil,a real m4 or vektor have probably around half the recoil they have in this game, especially the vektor.
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Friday, February 6th 2015, 5:03pm


This is wrong. Shooting anything on full-auto, or even semi-auto as fast as you can pull the trigger will yield horrible results for anything but close range.

that is given from spread though, not from recoil,a real m4 or vektor have probably around half the recoil they have in this game, especially the vektor.


No. I shot the G36 for example, which had, on the whole rather ridiculously low recoil, my spread lay around 4cm on single shot on 200m, so yeah the recoil itself is low, but you have to multiply this by, for this example times 750 on full-auto or burst. I shot bursts of three at a target 20 and 50m away and the results were horrible, and this is low recoil only multiplied by three. You probably can cotnrol it for a couple of hsots but as soon as you overcorrect once it gets out of hand. The M4 is in no way superior to any other carbine, so it will handle the same way.

The Vector, yeah it has a whole new, gas piston or something reducing the recoil even further, so does the AEK and the AN-94. THe AN-94 especially was supossed to have no recoil at all, but it can never work out like this, because the factor deciding your accuracy the most is your body. That is why you are best off lying down with your weapon, resting it somewhere etc.

Spread, in the situations we are talking about, has little to no effect here. Even if you count stuff like misaligned sight, wind and weather conditions etc, or canting your barrel/sight.