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Sunday, May 10th 2015, 1:54am

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The boost of "fast throw" is fairly small

I don't have the numbers handy, but I promise you that that is NOT true. The boost is quite sizable, and is certainly worth choosing.

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Sunday, May 10th 2015, 8:17am

I'm pretty sure someone on another thread did some tests and he got confused because the animation of the grenade throw is the same regardless of perk but it turned out that the perk affects when during the animation does the grenade actually leave the hand.
So my thought process is: if the grenade does immediate damage/effect then fast throw is excellent. But if there is any kind of delay on the grenade then it is less helpful if I have to sit through the full animation anyway, like I can start the animation from cover and peek when I actually throw it or I can peek-n-throw and then take cover for the rest of the animation.

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Sunday, May 10th 2015, 8:39am

Hooray for the lowered rep tier requirements.

Why would anyone pick the reduced fall damage perk though?

So you don't have to pull your parachute, which means you make less noise. There's no more obvious sound than deploying your parachute to let an enemy know you're behind them.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Sunday, May 17th 2015, 3:14pm

So if I wanted to jump back into BF, is it best to play BF4 or try out Hardline?

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Sunday, May 17th 2015, 3:28pm

I believe BF4 is better if you want the "traditional" BF experience. If you want infantry focus you might fare better with Hardline though, if you can not stand Metro etc. any longer.

Hardline has more issues though, and some good points, and is generally not favoured by critics and players as BF4 now is. And if you like symthic and and a more numeric and consistent approach to shooting mechanics and weapon stats, you will favour BF4 more than Hardline as well.

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Sunday, May 17th 2015, 5:15pm

So if I wanted to jump back into BF, is it best to play BF4 or try out Hardline?


I would go check out BF4. A big patch is coming soon that is changing a lot. If your really feeling up to it, check out CTE. There is some REALLY awesome things going on there but the player counts are way lower the retail.

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Sunday, May 17th 2015, 7:00pm

Considering HL is dying already, I would go with BF4.
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Monday, May 18th 2015, 3:15am

Can't find any recent stats, but Battlefield Hardline is still really popular on PS4. Tend to find plenty of local matches.

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Monday, May 18th 2015, 5:02pm

Hardlol is still moderately popular with the X360. More so than BF4.
There are 0 servers running non-base BF4 maps for Rush :(

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You're into Chinese nowadays?
No, but i am into immature jokes about sexual intercourse with cats with a pinch of stereotypical asian accent. :D

Thanks razal.

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Monday, May 18th 2015, 5:29pm

Battlefield 4 Stats
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You can literally see Hardline get weaker by the day there.
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