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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 11:01am

Who still uses the "heavy" LMGs/GPMGs?

I've always liked the 7.62 LMGs. My most used weapon is the M240B. It's always been my bae. I've also got a few kills with the PKP and M60 (damn the M60's front post to Hell), but the M420Blazeit has a higher fire rate, which automatically makes it better. After the latest patch, I've been disappointed in bae's performance.

The nerf to grips, FSM, and minimum damage hurt my gameplay. I can't hit people at long range, and sometimes I need 6 shots to kill. I know these guns are more accurate now, but I'm not getting the same results. Should I stick it out with Ol' Reliable? Should I main another LMG? I want to hear from my fellow GPMG users.

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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 12:45pm

higher fire rate, which automatically makes it better.
No it does not...

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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 12:48pm

higher fire rate, which automatically makes it better.
No it does not...

if he uses bipod he's right though.

if he uses the bipod.
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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 1:34pm

After the latest patch, I've been disappointed in bae's performance.

It used to be my bae as well. My sig is proof. To be perfectly honest, the Spring patch actually improved its accuracy by quite a bit, although at the cost of more recoil. But... I simply can't find a place for it anymore, it doesn't feel like the tap fire god it used to be. RIP M420BLAZEIT ;(

When not using a bipod, the PKP is statistically superior to the M240B. The 50 RPM increase isn't all that much considering that the first 5 shots are fired at the exact same RoF, and you probably shouldn't be bursting more than 5.

I reckon my favourite GPMG now probably is the M60. Low enough recoil for me to be able to put on a HB, and when you do so it's an absolute laser beam. I reckon I've used it long enough to ignore the front post, I guess I've gotten used to it.

Should I main another LMG?

From your Battlelog I can see that you're a person that likes to use high DPS weapons, although you've used all the LMGs quite a bit. If you like high DPS weapons by all means use them, but what I've come to notice since the Spring patch is that low RoF high accuracy weapons are REALLY good. Especially for rush, which is your main gamemode. It's really your choice.
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Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

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Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 1:35pm

The gpmgs are not as good as they were in BF3. the best bipod mg is now the type 88 with its high velocity, laser accuracy and decent rof. now that the GPMGs got their damage nerfed they aren't even good for long range shooting. they pay far too much for 1 shot less to kill. the type 88 is also decent off the bipod if you give it an HBar and don't move when shooting.

since the patch ive noticed the MG4 and M249 are both really inaccurate now.

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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 3:06pm

I've always liked the 7.62 LMGs. My most used weapon is the M240B. It's always been my bae. I've also got a few kills with the PKP and M60 (damn the M60's front post to Hell), but the M420Blazeit has a higher fire rate, which automatically makes it better. After the latest patch, I've been disappointed in bae's performance.

The nerf to grips, FSM, and minimum damage hurt my gameplay. I can't hit people at long range, and sometimes I need 6 shots to kill. I know these guns are more accurate now, but I'm not getting the same results. Should I stick it out with Ol' Reliable? Should I main another LMG? I want to hear from my fellow GPMG users.

M145 sight (Western x3.4 optic) solves your issue with the M60's front post.
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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 4:01pm

I've always liked the 7.62 LMGs. My most used weapon is the M240B. It's always been my bae. I've also got a few kills with the PKP and M60 (damn the M60's front post to Hell), but the M420Blazeit has a higher fire rate, which automatically makes it better. After the latest patch, I've been disappointed in bae's performance.

The nerf to grips, FSM, and minimum damage hurt my gameplay. I can't hit people at long range, and sometimes I need 6 shots to kill. I know these guns are more accurate now, but I'm not getting the same results. Should I stick it out with Ol' Reliable? Should I main another LMG? I want to hear from my fellow GPMG users.
M145 sight (Western x3.4 optic) solves your issue with the M60's front post.
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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 4:58pm

has a higher fire rate, which automatically makes it better.


no no no no no no no no no

DPS!=DPS on target. More accurate weapons yield higher damage output at range.

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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 5:58pm

That video makes some pretty bizarre statements about BF3.

Lmgs irrelevant? wtf?

Heavy barrel and foregrip the only relevant attachment setup?

this guy has heard of bipods right? the attachment that makes both of those statements completely ridiculous? I agree the balance in that game was terrible but these kinds of extreme generalizations are unwarranted.

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Tuesday, August 18th 2015, 6:06pm

Oh heyyy MAP. Glad to see you requesting help again, and also glad to see you being told you're wrong (I mean that in a constructive criticism sort of way).

GPMGs are IMO worse post patch. You shouldn't be getting any 6 shot kills though. The h-recoil has been decreased and the FSM and has been increased. The M240, originally pretty on par w/ the other GPMGs, is now pretty garbage UNLSS you're using a bipod, and then it is supreme.

PKP is GODLY. I run HBar 3.4x and bipod. The recoil is crazy w/o being 'podded, but even so it preforms beautifully (while 'podded) at most ranges (barring super CQC and really long range). Only downside is the MV, which is eh at best.

M60. IMO, statistically the best GPMG.

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