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Saturday, April 12th 2014, 11:31pm

(please correct me if i'm wrong))

You're not wrong; DICE is.

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Sunday, April 13th 2014, 12:28am

@Sheepnub

So you are implying that weapons whose attributes allow more ease of use over more 'complex' rifles entails "bad recoil control" on the user's end?

But Sheepy, the numbers represent a theoretical output; the maximum potential a weapon can obtain. How often can that be effectively displayed in practice?
To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question.

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the Sebstalder is quiet good since it can 3hit kill at any distanc ,but In my opinion i actually thikn the sweeper is better, its got a really really fast firerate that can beat alll those Noobmaticos, Helregall adn shitguns in close quarters , and its also really accurate out to like l;ong range,. overall great allround gun, jsut my 2$ tho


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Sunday, April 13th 2014, 12:33am

@ToTheSun!

Just trying to demonstrate it's possible to be VERY good with a weapon.

@JSLICE20

Just because it's theoretical doesn't mean it's automatically impossible. The video I linked should've shown that it is possible to achieve very good competence with a weapon's theoretical performance.
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Sunday, April 13th 2014, 12:36am

If you wanted to REALLY make your point (counting rounds and all), you should have gone with this:


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Sunday, April 13th 2014, 12:38am

@ToTheSun!

Thanks for that. I don't poke around youtube looking for ESL footage.

@JSLICE20

See how good people can get?
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Sunday, April 13th 2014, 2:04am

See how good people can get?

I should clarify. I do not play on a competitive level, my only experience resides in public matches. My argument was based on that detail, so I still disagree with your statement. The random behavior of public matches greatly interferes with optimal performance, but competitive Battlefield is centered around a controlled environment.
To Aim Assist or not to Aim Assist, that is the question.

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Sunday, April 13th 2014, 2:10am

Regardless of whether the match is competitive or public does not change how the weapon handles. Your argument is that it is not possible to reach a good mastery of theoretical performance. jiKa and punchrulle show otherwise.

We are talking about how well people can do well with a weapon. It has been shown to reach very close to theoretical performance.
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