PDWs and What Could Be Done To Help Them - Page 9 - BF4 Weapon Discussion

C0llis

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Tuesday, April 15th 2014, 9:09pm

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Come to think of it: DICE should just change all PDWs (sans the AS VAL) to bullpups, remove the bullpup penalty to ADS accuracy for PDWs and lower spread increase across the board -> profit.

That's not short of making the PDW-R OP.

It was a pretty general statement, outliers would of course have to be fine tuned. Still, I stand by that hipfire base spread and spread increase are the main culprits when it comes to the current somewhat lackluster PDWs (barring the outliers).

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And reading Youtube comments still gives me Turbo Cancer.

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It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

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What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

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Tuesday, April 15th 2014, 9:54pm

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Come to think of it: DICE should just change all PDWs (sans the AS VAL) to bullpups, remove the bullpup penalty to ADS accuracy for PDWs and lower spread increase across the board -> profit.

That's not short of making the PDW-R OP.

It was a pretty general statement, outliers would of course have to be fine tuned. Still, I stand by that hipfire base spread and spread increase are the main culprits when it comes to the current somewhat lackluster PDWs (barring the outliers).

Forget hipfire spread. I won't touch a PDW without a heavy barrel on it (which excludes basically 90% of them because of the need for a compensator).

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Tuesday, April 15th 2014, 10:35pm

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Forget hipfire spread. I won't touch a PDW without a heavy barrel on it (which excludes basically 90% of them because of the need for a compensator).

Really? From my experience 0.4 is enough for the ranges where I would bother engaging enemies with a PDW. It is obviously not enough to take on headglitchers with outside CQB, is that what you are referring to?

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And reading Youtube comments still gives me Turbo Cancer.

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It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

Quoted from "Watcher-45"

What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

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Tuesday, April 15th 2014, 10:49pm

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Forget hipfire spread. I won't touch a PDW without a heavy barrel on it (which excludes basically 90% of them because of the need for a compensator).

Really? From my experience 0.4 is enough for the ranges where I would bother engaging enemies with a PDW. It is obviously not enough to take on headglitchers with outside CQB, is that what you are referring to?

I'm just saying in general. I don't like 0.4/0.5 spread and i don't feel comfortable with it.

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Wednesday, April 16th 2014, 9:38am

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I shali never confuse possibility with eficiency again, as long as my dyslexia may live.

Oh, and i honestly wouldn't mind a very slight buff to weapon draw times and hip firefor pdws.

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Wednesday, April 16th 2014, 10:35am

I can't believe they made DMRs available for all classes yet PDWs are only for engineer. Why would anyone use PDWs as engineer when there's a slash n dash carbines like ACW-R and M-TAR 21? Seriously..

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Wednesday, April 16th 2014, 2:19pm

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I can't believe they made DMRs available for all classes yet PDWs are only for engineer. Why would anyone use PDWs as engineer when there's a slash n dash carbines like ACW-R and M-TAR 21? Seriously..

That's the thing. The weapons need to be unquestionably better than the all-kits in some way. At the moment, they aren't.

I agree with deploy times and hipfire buffs, but maybe it could be something simpler. What about twice the ammo pool? Small rounds - small mags - lots of spare ammo to spray all over the place!

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Wednesday, April 16th 2014, 3:35pm

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if you ask me, PDW damage should be increased to 30 max

There are many things wrong about that which you, very clearly, haven't considered.

1. UMP-45 40+ damage?
2. low bullet velocity rounds dealing more damage than 5.56 and 7.62 NATO?

1. i never said increase the UMP-45 damage to 40+. Its fine the way it is
2. its a video game, it doesn't have to make sense. 5.56 and 7.62 rounds kill faster than .50cal machine guns that could easily rip a arm off in one shot