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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 2:01am

DMR Attachment Questions

The Stubby grip improves the accuracy for "automatic fire" I was wondering since it specifically mentions automatic fire if DMRs aren't improved by this attachment since they're single-fire weapons.

Another question I have is about muzzle brakes: even though it says it has an automatic fire penalty when you add it on to your selected DMR it still shows the accuracy decreasing. Is this an oversight or should you really put it on DMRs anyways?

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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 2:07am

The Stubby grip improves the accuracy for "automatic fire" I was wondering since it specifically mentions automatic fire if DMRs aren't improved by this attachment since they're single-fire weapons.

Another question I have is about muzzle brakes: even though it says it has an automatic fire penalty when you add it on to your selected DMR it still shows the accuracy decreasing. Is this an oversight or should you really put it on DMRs anyways?

Thanks to all the answers.

spread increase(the "automatic fire" of dic) works like this (non mathemtically)

as you shot,the moment the bullet can be registered as a hit,the spread(aimed or not) wil increase of a determined amount and lower of another amount x second as soon as the gun is ready to shot another projectile,so even on dmrs this can be felt if you are a dmr spammer,but,compared to other guns,dmrs feel it less due to semi-auto firing(full-auto guns never recover spread unless you stop firing) and to the fact that the recoil takes more time to settle than the spread itself,basically,the best attachments for a a dmr would be muzzle brake-and ergo/angled if you wait for recoil to settle,if not,just go for an heavy barrel or flash hider.
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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 2:10am

Automatic fire means until the recoil is fully finished (The Mark 11's is 6 seconds) but even with that the only DMR I would use the stubby grip with is the SKS due to it being a better close range DMR. Muzzle brake is also good for medium range engagements but if your looking for a longer range DMR I would Recommend something like heavy barrel and angled foregrip. Hope this helped.

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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 2:28am

Automatic fire means until the recoil is fully finished (The Mark 11's is 6 seconds).
I don't know what you are talking about. "Automatic fire" is just a loose term that DICE has written on BLog in order to "explain" what the stubby does.

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In short, the stubby grip lowers the amount of spread that is added with every shot, essentially allowing you to either shoot longer bursts with smaller penalties (rule of thumb: 5 shot burst with stubby is equivalent to 4 shot burst without stubby, without comp/muzzle brake), or shoot more often in semi mode with base spread. For DMRs, this means that you can shoot faster without suffering from increased spread.

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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 6:06am

a mk11 mod0 M39 EMR has a base spread of 0.1°, and a spread increase of 0.3° after a round has been fired. Muzzle Breaks and Compensators have a 1.3x modifier (+130%, 30% extra, etc) on your spread increase, a burden. 1.3*0.3°/rnd=0.39°/rnd
The stubby/potato grip has a 0.85x modifier on spread increase per round, a benefit. 0.85*0.3°/rnd=0.255°/rnd
You can combine the two to somewhat cancel each other out. 1.3*0.85=1.105, 1.105*0.3°/rnd=0.332°/rnd

Like I said before the spread increase is applied after each round is fired.
For a stock MK11 M39 EMR, your first round is fired with a spread of 0.1°, you add 0.3° for firing a round, then 0.3° after the 2nd.
If you follow the row for the Stock M39 you will notice that the spread is 0.1° - 0.4° - 0.7°.


Heavy Barrel and Angled Grip is also shown in my charts because I originally used the chart for comparing AR attachment combinations. Heavy Barrel and Stubby grip would be the ultimate way to keep your spread tight, but your v-recoil would be punishingly intense. I personally recommend you use a bipod unless you are going to use a heavy barrel which in my mind requires you to use the angled grip.

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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 6:11am

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Mk11's base spread is .05 actually

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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 2:16pm

@R Yeah I realized that after I posted it. I only use the MK11 personally, so when I talk about DMRs that is what I reference most of the time. What I meant to say was the M39 EMR which does have a base spread of 0.1°, which makes the math a little bit easier. Thanks for the check though
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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 2:33pm

The Stubby grip improves the accuracy for "automatic fire" I was wondering since it specifically mentions automatic fire if DMRs aren't improved by this attachment since they're single-fire weapons.

Another question I have is about muzzle brakes: even though it says it has an automatic fire penalty when you add it on to your selected DMR it still shows the accuracy decreasing. Is this an oversight or should you really put it on DMRs anyways?

Thanks to all the answers.

Stubby increases the effective RoF if you want to shoot every shot at minimum (base) spread - and this 'optimal' RoF is not far from the DMR's max RoF. Muzzle brake decreases the effective RoF: in the long term, it is better to learn recoil compensation than to use MB. (See: Mouse click rates for optimal RoF)
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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 5:38pm

The Stubby grip improves the accuracy for "automatic fire" I was wondering since it specifically mentions automatic fire if DMRs aren't improved by this attachment since they're single-fire weapons.

Another question I have is about muzzle brakes: even though it says it has an automatic fire penalty when you add it on to your selected DMR it still shows the accuracy decreasing. Is this an oversight or should you really put it on DMRs anyways?

Thanks to all the answers.

Stubby increases the effective RoF if you want to shoot every shot at minimum (base) spread - and this 'optimal' RoF is not far from the DMR's max RoF. Muzzle brake decreases the effective RoF: in the long term, it is better to learn recoil compensation than to use MB. (See: Mouse click rates for optimal RoF)

I always felt that for the ranges you hope to engage with a DMR, precision aiming is required such that it's not realistic to accurately compensate the snappy recoil, and your best option is simply to wait for the recoil to settle. To that end, I find the angled grip is the most helpful. If you're trying to shoot closer to the max ROF by using stubby, spamming quickly, and compensating recoil, it seems like this will only be effective at relatively close range unless your compensation skills are supernaturally accurate.

Can you consistently land follow-up shots at 100-150m firing before the recoil settles? It seems like even 70m would be quite a challenge.

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Thursday, February 27th 2014, 5:42pm

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