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DeathOfTheDodo

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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 9:44am

Sidearms

I've been trying to unlock handguns as fast as I can, just wanted to share some musings at their current state.

The first three unlocks are REALLY monotonous. From M9 to MP443 I see no real reason to use them over the P226.

Now the Super Shorty, that's another story. On hardcore it's a wrecking machine of a sidearm. I wiped half a team with it earlier today on some Domination game in about 10 seconds. Not having a sight is pretty annoying at first, but as soon as you get the Ghost Ring and slam on the Mod. Choke... Yeah, no need for any other pistol within 10m. Sadly it doesn't add to sidearm score (it adds to shotgun score), so you can't really use it to unlock the G18. This is as far as I've gotten, would like to know your guys' thoughts on the sidearms of BF4!
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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 9:55am

G18 is the best sidearm to run with until you unlock everything else. It's almost primary worthy. I just got the Five seveN earlier. Too bad it's not that good to use unfortunately.

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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 10:27am

These are my opinions based only on about 30 kills worth of experience (except for the 1911).

M9 = rebranded P226 with a slower reload time (barely) and worse recoil (also barely). P226 is statistically better in every way, but negligibly so. I'll leave it to user discretion, but neither are for me.

MP443. 2 extra bullets, a faster reload, and less H-recoil than the M926, but at the expense of a lower ROF, lower velocity, and greater V-recoil. I see what they were going for compared to the M926, it's a little more controllable and will probably face more targets easier than the M926, but the M926 is more balanced IMHO. Plus I hate the sights on the MP443.

QSZ-92. Nearly as weak as the auto-pistols, higher ROF than the M926 and MP443, typical magazine, lowish velocity, strong V-recoil, yet weak H-recoil. If the magazine was larger I could forgive the damage, but as is I don't like it.

Five-seveN. QSZ-92 with higher velocity, a quicker reload, and a larger magazine. The dominant choice for the weak pistols. Might be a good choice for snipers for finishing off targets that took one .308 to the chest already, otherwise it isn't powerful enough for me.

G18. Awesome. I think it is better than the BF3 one, I couldn't hit shit with that one and used it on semi when I was grinding it. The one in BF4 seems very consistent, thought the recoil is ridiculous. Definitely needs a laser.

1911. A shining beacon of what a handgun should be! Powerful enough to stand on it's own, slightly more accurate than the other pistols, a quick reload, low H-recoil, slow enough to easily counter the V-recoil. Low velocity, but who's sniping with it? Love my 1911, especially with the heavy barrel. If only the C45 wasn't statistically better. Even if DICE doesn't change that, I'll still use my 1911.

MP412 REX. Garbage. I hate it. Might just be me but I have a hard time with it. Statistically I am more accurate with it than my beloved 1911, but I feel like it never connects when it counts. I'm good at shooting people in the back with it when I'm standing still, but on the move or face to face it's a gamble. I don't trust it, not that I haven't tried or won't try again. The ring sight helped me a little, I think a RDS might help more... One thing for sure, it's too slow. I am wondering if the .44 will be any better.

93R. Haven't used it yet. Unlocked, but ignored in lieu of 1911 epicness. If the G18 is any indication, the 93R will rock as well.

CZ-75. See 93R. Judging from stats alone, it's the slowest of the typical damage handguns with the smallest magazine, has a slightly extended max damage range, has 1.4 high min damage that also is 5 meters shorter, has slightly higher V-recoil, has decent H-recoil... I'd have to try it. My gut tells me to warrant the extra recoil and lower ROF that it should do 30 max damage, but it might be a solid "medium distance" sidearm.

.44 Mag. Haven't unlocked it yet (698 points away). Once I SS the 1911 I will use it a bunch as I liked it in BF3 as well.

Compact 45. Well, statistically it's set to make the 1911 obsolete, so for that I hate it. But if I love the 1911 the C45 is bound to be loved as well. But, well, I do have "45" in my username for a reason :D I am wondering if DICE will nerf it in any way to differentiate it from the 1911, or if they will buff the 1911 in any way to differentiate it from the C45.


Shorty 12G. What's not to say about it! Well, the magazine is tiny, so don't miss, and you can't ADS until you unlock the RDS so hardcore might be difficult... But it's really powerful, reloads in a snap, and with the use of chokes the range can be extended a little to slightly encroach on primary shotguns.
I enjoyed using it until I unlocked the next pistol, and I intend to level it up and outfit it for maximum close range effectiveness so I can run Assault with a shotgun as the primary, secondary, and tertiary weapons! In BF3 the 870 was my #2 most used weapon under the 1911, in BF4 I want to use it again running slugs and an optic for med/long range (the latter as long as they buff the accuracy. C'mon DICE!), run the M26-Dart (or frag, depending on situation and usefulness), and keep the Shorty by my side.
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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 10:56am

Watcher, are you playing on pistols only servers? :)

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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 11:24am

I have all the pistols unlocked and about a service star with each of them.

I'd say the 93r with Laser and Muzzle Break or Comp is really good. But runs out of ammo fast, especially with the ammo glitch.

If your looking for a great solid all around performer then the HK45 Compact is the way to go. CZ75 I've had pretty good luck with as well.

But if you haven't unlocked any of the pistols I've mentioned so far then just stick with the P226. It's pretty much superior to everything else until you unlock the ones I mentioned.

G18 is good if you burst it and have Laser. On Console its pretty hard to control and got me killed many times when I hit nothing but air with it. 93r is much better and easier to control IMO.

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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 12:25pm

.44 mag seems a lot more accurate and consistent than the REX. I have the same accuracy with both, right now, but I tried sniping with the .44 and the 3x at rifle distance and had some difficulty. Scope was doing that stupid blurry thing and it's hard to see bullet drop because of the insane recoil in scope.

I only have 9 kills with it as of now, but they felt a lot easier than the REX. Sights are way better, super accurate.

I dunno, I might just be biased but I don't really care. I prefer the .44 to the REX.



CZ-75 was interesting. I used it for a round and got 6 kills with it. Felt more accurate than the 9mms, but that was probably just due to the lower ROF. Power was underwhelming. I really hope they give it a standard damage curve and up the max to 30. Sights are ok.



OP: Shorty + mod choke is definitely the way to go. When I had it on full choke I was doing ok but missing some hip encounters, no choke was ok but I was having to double tap some people. Switched to modified and was taking squads. I love the choke system, can't wait to explore them on the primary shotguns.
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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 12:50pm

Fucking hell I've not even got the M9 yet! :D
I know I've only had the game for 2 days but still you guys are fast!

I hate the unlock system for grenades and handguns. Both of which being fairly situational weapons I can't see anyone unlocking them any time soon unless they force themselves to get kills with them...

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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 1:00pm

Fucking hell I've not even got the M9 yet! :D
I know I've only had the game for 2 days but still you guys are fast!

I hate the unlock system for grenades and handguns. Both of which being fairly situational weapons I can't see anyone unlocking them any time soon unless they force themselves to get kills with them...
I have all of both.

I like it because it makes people use weapons they wouldn't normally use.

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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 1:01pm

Just play some op locker and you'll rank up grenades in no time I'm sure. I'm glad to hear the shorty is good, I think I'll end up swapping between that, the .44 and the compact .45 most of the time. I'm partial to the 1911 myself since i own one Irl, so despite its inferiority I'll definitely be using it. Who cares about its stats? It's fucking sexy as hell and the new sound it makes when being fired is GG.
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Sunday, November 3rd 2013, 1:06pm

I hate the unlock system for grenades and handguns. Both of which being fairly situational weapons I can't see anyone unlocking them any time soon unless they force themselves to get kills with them...

nades can be unlocked in one match, honestly. i just went on an operation locker, threw a nade -> triple kill. threw another, kill. reloaded....

pistols are a bitch though...

watcher, my honest compliments on your persistence with the pistols ._. interesting writeup too
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>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
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Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
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"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

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You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
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So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about