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Thursday, January 9th 2014, 12:44am

So a 60 m/s difference in muzzle velocity is going to matter more when engaging 20+ meters out compared to a 70 RPM difference in rate of fire?

Aside from the last few offhand remarks about the ACE 21 being a good gun to throw a suppressor on, most of what's been talked about here has been unsupressed guns - my posts, 3VerstsNorth's, and the linked chart are all referencing base weapon stats. So we were talking about 630 m/s (AK 5C) vs 410 m/s (ACE 21 CQB), a difference of 220 m/s.


Ah, yes, I was referring to suppressed weapons. I was simultaneously distracted by the previous posts and my unyielding, redemptive love for them.

While assuming that you meant a difference of 60 m/s does not outweigh the 70 RPM difference in RoF, you are confirming that the 220 m/s muzzle velocity difference between the [barebones] AK 5c and the ACE 21 is important enough to outweigh the 70 RPM difference? (In this scenario we are 20+ meters out from a target.)

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Thursday, January 9th 2014, 6:42pm

I find carbines very enjoyable so glad they made them usable on all classes. I might prefer them over ARs my favourites are ACW-R, M-TAR, ACE 21 and AK 5C currently in that order. The M-TAR and ACW-R are not far behind high ROF ARs like the AEK and Famas but the recoil seems much lower for carbines, shame we don't have stats for the M-TAR yet.
I'm not here to argue the best they are all great for me the first 3 I would typically use with a suppressor and the AK 5C I like HB, however not sure what grip to use with it on AK 5C so any suggestions.

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Thursday, January 9th 2014, 11:31pm

Personally I prefer the Ergo grip on pretty much any Carbine, but I find it especially good on the AK5C because it already has such manageable recoil and the Ergo grip cuts down on the accuracy penalty you get while moving in both ADS and Hipfire. If you are really good at stopping every time you shoot it might not be worth it but I never really have the presence of mind to do that outside of long range. The AK5Cs weakest point is arguably close range too, and I find the ergo helps with that more than the other grips.

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Friday, January 10th 2014, 7:50am

At close range if you spray at head level it could still potentially win fire fights with it being so accurate especially with the hip-fire attachments. Though its not always something you should rely on..

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Friday, January 10th 2014, 12:54pm

What's the deal with the M-TAR I think it's great but have seen people saying it's glitched.
I think it's crazy how the capable range of something like the ACW-R is quite high for me even though it has 880 RPM and I use it with a suppressor.

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Friday, January 10th 2014, 1:01pm

What's the deal with the M-TAR I think it's great but have seen people saying it's glitched.

it's minimal damage is that of an assault rifle (18dmg), while it's a carbine (should be 15.4 dmg)
Also, it has the standard bullpup-glitch stuff
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
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Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


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I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Friday, January 10th 2014, 1:25pm

What's the deal with the M-TAR I think it's great but have seen people saying it's glitched.

it's minimal damage is that of an assault rifle (18dmg), while it's a carbine (should be 15.4 dmg)
Also, it has the standard bullpup-glitch stuff

Hey Sheep, I heard you guys finally got the CR stats? When are you putting it on the site ? :D
I'm asking you here 'cause in one of the locked threads I saw you mention that the MTAR has like 0.8 Hrecoil. Maybe you could clarify a bit more, like what is its right & left pull? It's possible that its just me, but the MTAR seems much more controllable than the ACR.



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Friday, January 10th 2014, 1:29pm

What's the deal with the M-TAR I think it's great but have seen people saying it's glitched.

it's minimal damage is that of an assault rifle (18dmg), while it's a carbine (should be 15.4 dmg)
Also, it has the standard bullpup-glitch stuff

Hey Sheep, I heard you guys finally got the CR stats? When are you putting it on the site ? :D
I'm asking you here 'cause in one of the locked threads I saw you mention that the MTAR has like 0.8 Hrecoil. Maybe you could clarify a bit more, like what is its right & left pull? It's possible that its just me, but the MTAR seems much more controllable than the ACR.

That's correct, our beloved army of nerds managed to decrypt the files We have to wait till Sym, our head-admin, makes the charts. He's the only person who can do that, so....yeh, we're all just sorta waiting on him

The recoil on the MTAR is 0.4 left, 0.4 right, 0.34 up -> less accurate than the acw-r, but easier to use due to more symmtrical horizontal recoil and lower vertical.
Plus bullpup :3
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Friday, January 10th 2014, 1:32pm

What's the deal with the M-TAR I think it's great but have seen people saying it's glitched.

it's minimal damage is that of an assault rifle (18dmg), while it's a carbine (should be 15.4 dmg)
Also, it has the standard bullpup-glitch stuff

Hey Sheep, I heard you guys finally got the CR stats? When are you putting it on the site ? :D
I'm asking you here 'cause in one of the locked threads I saw you mention that the MTAR has like 0.8 Hrecoil. Maybe you could clarify a bit more, like what is its right & left pull? It's possible that its just me, but the MTAR seems much more controllable than the ACR.

That's correct, our beloved army of nerds managed to decrypt the files We have to wait till Sym, our head-admin, makes the charts. He's the only person who can do that, so....yeh, we're all just sorta waiting on him

The recoil on the MTAR is 0.4 left, 0.4 right, 0.34 up -> less accurate than the acw-r, but easier to use due to more symmtrical horizontal recoil and lower vertical.
Plus bullpup :3

Hope Sym does it quick :)
On the MTAR, the lower Vrecoil along with more symmetrical Hrecoil would perfectly explain how I find the MTAR wayyy easier to control.



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Friday, January 10th 2014, 8:16pm

so 2 things:

1) ok, M4, i love you, i really do, but i think the AKU-12 is a strong candidate for best overall carbine/possibly best overall gun in the game at this point in a lot of ways. it just doesn't miss whatever the range; the very slightest recoil correction and it's a reliable two to the head at close range or two or three hits in a burst farther out. slap a heavy barrel on and (with the slight exception of moving targets) it'll lunch anything out to the point where you should be bothering to shoot at anything anyway with a carbine. plus the light recoil makes it actually usable with the magnifier, unlike many of the other guns, so you don't need to gimp close range sights to have long-range (relatively speaking) accuracy. and if you've ever used an M40A5 the low muzzle velocity is hardly a big adjustment. so good.

2) yay, china rising stats! oh... MTAR... um, DICE fix plz. i mean, this was known, but it's sort of startling to see the final numbers and then the assault rifle damage curve. i think the other stats look just fine for what the gun is but fuck if that doesn't make it feel like you're gimping yourself running anything else right now for close combat.