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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 11:20am

Thats what I thought so. AK5C has much higher muzzle velocity, thou I doubt it will be much of a differece at ranges carabines generaly operate.

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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 11:35am

From shooting 'til saturation at walls the MTAR appears to have similar total h-recoil to the ACW-R, only completely symmetrical (I'd say about 0.8 degrees-ish total). What I can't handle though is the visual scope wobble that gun has, makes it unusable for me at mid-range+.

At long range the AK-12U is probably the best carbine choice, if you can get used to its burst-mode the RPM trumps the Ak-5C's which means it's decent at close-mid-ranged encounters too.
Try using the MTAR with irons - I almost always do, extremely open view and they're really good for its spread pattern. Scope wobble is truly terrible though, another useless downgrade from BF3.

The MTAR is as good as the ACW-R at this point in time except for its long reload. This will be less true when the minimum bullet damage is likely fixed, but that's because the ACW-R is pretty much the M16/M4 of BF4 when it's wielded properly - good at everything with no drawbacks.

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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 1:23pm

Thats what I thought so. AK5C has much higher muzzle velocity, thou I doubt it will be much of a differece at ranges carabines generaly operate.
Still, the AK5Cs well rounded stats still give it the ability to pick people off at range.

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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 1:27pm

Thats what I thought so. AK5C has much higher muzzle velocity, thou I doubt it will be much of a differece at ranges carabines generaly operate.
Still, the AK5Cs well rounded stats still give it the ability to pick people off at range.

You're better off with the ace-21, unless you have trouble with recoil control.

The ak5c is well-rounded, absolutely. But it's outclassed statistically by the ace-21 (as the ace is equally accurate, but more powerful).

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>gunship OP

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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 1:36pm

Yeh but when I will unlock ace21, I will be almost done with carabines :) I will take that into account anyway, maybe one day I will back to them.

PS. After playing bolt action/dmr only its so fucking easy to score kills with AR's and Carabines lol ... it feels for me like totaly different game.

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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 1:39pm

Thats what I thought so. AK5C has much higher muzzle velocity, thou I doubt it will be much of a differece at ranges carabines generaly operate.
Still, the AK5Cs well rounded stats still give it the ability to pick people off at range.

You're better off with the ace-21, unless you have trouble with recoil control.

The ak5c is well-rounded, absolutely. But it's outclassed statistically by the ace-21 (as the ace is equally accurate, but more powerful).

Except that it is not. :)

The 770 vs. 700 rpm DPS difference in the favor of ACE21 is compensated by a difference in spread increase (0.1 vs. 0.091) in the favor of AK5C, which is visible in the brute-force charts. From 20 m, AK5C is statistically a bit more accurate, but the difference in T100 is in the range of some tens of ms (see the chart with perfect recoil compensation and 100 ms inter-burst interval here).

More difficult usage of ACE21 (recoil, FSM) is IMO balanced by increased mag size (36 bullets >> 30 bullets when you need to kill the third guy...).
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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 1:45pm

Thats what I thought so. AK5C has much higher muzzle velocity, thou I doubt it will be much of a differece at ranges carabines generaly operate.
Still, the AK5Cs well rounded stats still give it the ability to pick people off at range.

You're better off with the ace-21, unless you have trouble with recoil control.

The ak5c is well-rounded, absolutely. But it's outclassed statistically by the ace-21 (as the ace is equally accurate, but more powerful).

Except that it is not. :)

The 770 vs. 700 rpm DPS difference in the favor of ACE21 is compensated by a difference in spread increase (0.1 vs. 0.091) in the favor of AK5C, which is visible in the brute-force charts. From 20 m, AK5C is statistically a bit more accurate, but the difference in T100 is in the range of some tens of ms (see the chart with perfect recoil compensation and 100 ms inter-burst interval here).

More difficult usage of ACE21 (recoil, FSM) is IMO balanced by increased mag size (36 bullets >> 30 bullets when you need to kill the third guy...).

0.009 less spread per shot :| very small difference
Meh, technically it's a -bit- more accurate..but as you said, the difference is so freaking small a human being wouldn't be able to notice it. Plus, add in the higher ROF of the ace (which will, in its turn, increase bursting speed and saturation) and you've got an outclassed weapon really :|
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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 2:00pm

Where ACE 21 really beats the AK5C as potential best carbine is close range surprise encounter, due to higher RoF and mag.
Both are really good choices, and while unlucking thing to get the ACE, just use the AK5C.
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As a good guy that don't want to use overly glitched weapons, I'll quit using the MTAR and switch to the ACWR until it's fixed

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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 7:49pm

Picked up the AK 5C after mastering the M4 yesterday. and seriously, HOT DAMN is it good! It might not be as good as the ACE, but seriously, I barely even noticed putting a heavy barrel on that thing!
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Tuesday, January 7th 2014, 8:09pm

0.009 less spread per shot very small difference
Meh, technically it's a -bit- more accurate..but as you said, the difference is so freaking small a human being wouldn't be able to notice it. Plus, add in the higher ROF of the ace (which will, in its turn, increase bursting speed and saturation) and you've got an outclassed weapon really

They're both good guns, each with their own merits, but IMO minor differences in ROF are being given a bit too much weight if you think the ACE 21 "outclasses" the AK 5C.

I agree that the difference in spread increase is of only minor significance, but I'll reiterate the parent poster's point that the difference in ROF is not as significant as it might seem, as it results in a TTK difference of merely tens of ms. On the other hand, 630 m/s vs 410 m/s is an extremely large difference, best in class vs second worst in class. 250ms tac reload difference is smaller but still quite significant, and of course the empty reload which we hope to avoid (but can't always succeed in doing so) differs by 750ms, an eternity.