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Date of registration
: Dec 23rd 2013
Platform: Xbox One
Location: The Land of Multitudinous Kangaroos
Reputation modifier: 13
Ah but don't forget two things about the JS2:-
- Bullpup stats! The MPX may be more accurate (albeit not by much at all) when stationary but you can use the JS2 a lot more effectively when on the move doing Engineering tings.
- Greater ranged stats! It's damage drop off is a lot higher, muzzle velocity is higher, and max distance is higher; so you'll make up the minor loss in accuracy from differing recoil with that and it's higher fire rate.
Still prefer the A-91 to both though![]()
Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)
Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)
PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....
Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.
Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:
Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.
But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.
Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.
Well, technically...
Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).
And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.
In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.
Mind blown.
I... I...
*cries in a corner*
Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:
A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.
Reload times are wash.
Velocities are wash.
V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).
Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.
The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?
H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.
SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.
And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.
Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry
@Veritable
@Zer0Cod3x
I... I...
But...
Wha...
I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.
FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS
SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.
In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.
If it flies, it diesÂ.
This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "NoctyrneSAGA" (Oct 6th 2016, 1:50am)
Date of registration
: Dec 23rd 2013
Platform: Xbox One
Location: The Land of Multitudinous Kangaroos
Reputation modifier: 13
Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)
Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)
PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....
Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.
Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:
Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.
But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.
Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.
Well, technically...
Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).
And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.
In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.
Mind blown.
I... I...
*cries in a corner*
Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:
A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic
A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.
Reload times are wash.
Velocities are wash.
V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).
Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.
The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?
H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.
SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.
And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.
Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry
@Veritable
@Zer0Cod3x
I... I...
But...
Wha...
I AM HAVING AN EXISTENTIAL CRISIS IN SCHOOL BECAUSE OF YOU TWO.
FUCK YOU NERDS AND YOUR FANCY NUMBERS
SEXY RUSSIAN BULLPUPS FTW.
In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.
If it flies, it diesÂ.
Because the MPX and AS-VAL exist.
Snarky comment? Snarky answer!
MPX has the accuracy of rocks, and the AS-VAL is really really good at killing one person up to mid range and then you'd better like your side arm![]()
Date of registration
: Dec 14th 2014
Platform: PS3
Location: The Heart of Europe
Reputation modifier: 8
@marble
most prefer MPX over JS2 because of its reload speed. Just a lot easier to play. The even horizontal recoil is easier to use too.
Other than that. A-91 just no. Can somebody explain to me why I feel like Spray-n-Pray with this gun is the most effective way to play ? I can forget targets at distance, they are easier to hit with the SG553 and if I play CQB I am better off with the Groza-1. The A-91 lacks to be the middle of the road and simultaneously gets squished from guns, which are better in CQB and Range.
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