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Tuesday, May 24th 2016, 2:05pm

Close-mid range CQ ARs?

Hi,
what weapons would be 'best'(in this case) in close-mid range? I play mostly Conquest, but in almost exactly the same way DM is played.

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Tuesday, May 24th 2016, 2:42pm

That's a funny question, and quite easily answered.
The highest DPS weapon you can hanlde at intended ranges.
Try Famas or Bulldog, if they don't get the job done properly, git gud (with the gun) or take an easier weapon, like AEK-971 or F2000. If that don't work, step down to something like the L85A2.

With enough dedication, a weapon can be good at almost any range, only limited by it's spread charasteristics and horisontal recoil. With practise, vertical recoil can be 99% eliminated.
With any weapon, one can become as proficient with it as it's horisontal recoil allowes it to.
In the perfect case scenario, with maximal recoil control, one will be better at range with aek compared to famas, because famas' recoil is more limiting.
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Tuesday, May 24th 2016, 4:49pm

That's a funny question, and quite easily answered.
The highest DPS weapon you can hanlde at intended ranges.
Try Famas or Bulldog, if they don't get the job done properly, git gud (with the gun) or take an easier weapon, like AEK-971 or F2000. If that don't work, step down to something like the L85A2.

With enough dedication, a weapon can be good at almost any range, only limited by it's spread charasteristics and horisontal recoil. With practise, vertical recoil can be 99% eliminated.
With any weapon, one can become as proficient with it as it's horisontal recoil allowes it to.
In the perfect case scenario, with maximal recoil control, one will be better at range with aek compared to famas, because famas' recoil is more limiting.


Somewhat true; not all true. Most conquest maps discourage the Famas/AEK, as their ranges of engagements are suboptimal for these weapons. The L85A2, ACE 23, and M16A4 often yield better DPS on target overall on many conquest maps compared to AEK & Co..

If you're doing mid/close flag burn gameplay, use the SCAR, F2000, L85, or M16. If you've got good aim (~30% in most matches), use the SCAR. If not, use the F2000—they play well at the same ranges, though the SCAR can reach out farther, for being harder to use. L85 for more pure mid, but it has good hip fire to out damage AEKs in 6m engagements. M16 if you can burst well.

hb+stubby for all of those that I listed. I can only find comp+stubby worthwhile on the AEK and Famas.

If playing engineer, use either AS VAL or PDW-R, depending on range. Hb-stubby again.

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Tuesday, May 24th 2016, 5:31pm

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Yeah, maybe the highest DPS by Hitrater would be the best simple answer.
Except that Hitrater doesn't say anything to the usual "simple" player.
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Wednesday, May 25th 2016, 7:16am

How much of a difference the does ergo grip really make? The 0.8x SIPS multiplier from the stubby doesn't seem to be that much if you're burst firing anyway

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Wednesday, May 25th 2016, 11:27am

That's a funny question, and quite easily answered.
The highest DPS weapon you can hanlde at intended ranges.
Try Famas or Bulldog, if they don't get the job done properly, git gud (with the gun) or take an easier weapon, like AEK-971 or F2000. If that don't work, step down to something like the L85A2.

With enough dedication, a weapon can be good at almost any range, only limited by it's spread charasteristics and horisontal recoil. With practise, vertical recoil can be 99% eliminated.
With any weapon, one can become as proficient with it as it's horisontal recoil allowes it to.
In the perfect case scenario, with maximal recoil control, one will be better at range with aek compared to famas, because famas' recoil is more limiting.


Somewhat true; not all true. Most conquest maps discourage the Famas/AEK, as their ranges of engagements are suboptimal for these weapons. The L85A2, ACE 23, and M16A4 often yield better DPS on target overall on many conquest maps compared to AEK & Co..

If you're doing mid/close flag burn gameplay, use the SCAR, F2000, L85, or M16. If you've got good aim (~30% in most matches), use the SCAR. If not, use the F2000—they play well at the same ranges, though the SCAR can reach out farther, for being harder to use. L85 for more pure mid, but it has good hip fire to out damage AEKs in 6m engagements. M16 if you can burst well.

hb+stubby for all of those that I listed. I can only find comp+stubby worthwhile on the AEK and Famas.

If playing engineer, use either AS VAL or PDW-R, depending on range. Hb-stubby again.
I was hoping for you to reply.

Why do you seem to skip(dislike?) Ace23? With stubby + hb it has like the best recoil pattern(only straight up) while L85 and M416 go up and right by the end of a mag.

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Wednesday, May 25th 2016, 11:44am

I was hoping for you to reply.

Why do you seem to skip(dislike?) Ace23? With stubby + hb it has like the best recoil pattern(only straight up) while L85 and M416 go up and right by the end of a mag.

Actually, the L85 goes straight up, and the other two go to the right.

Anyway, to answer your question, out of all three, L85 has the least amount of vertical recoil (on the first shot, which is most important), and M416 has the least amount of horizontal recoil. ACE 23 should only be used if you like 5 extra bullets in the mag.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:




Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

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Wednesday, May 25th 2016, 11:47am

mfw recoil patterns in BF4
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Thursday, September 8th 2016, 2:35am

Try this : Ace 23 with muzzle brake and stubby grip. Good at all ranges. If you are good at controlling recoil, then try this : bulldog. I use muzzle brake and angled grip on the bulldog cause I'm on console. If your on PC try stubby grip, or stubby grip and compensator. Bulldog destroys at mid range, almost unbeatable at close range, and you can effectively tap fire for longer ranges. Hope this helps. :)

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Thursday, September 8th 2016, 10:28am

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