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Monday, October 20th 2014, 5:50pm

Woah, so this would mean that a SAR-21 2-round micro-burst is the prime candidate here. Ho-ho-ho, look out high fire-rate sluts, there's a new sheriff in town, even though he's been here this whole time! Remarkable.

It's a neat find etc, but it's just another step towards understanding how the game handles gun mechanics and input. In no way, besides scientific diligence shown by Miffyli and 3VN, is it remarkable because the hierarchy remains the same, and it's all due to how the guns ACTUALLY perform for, virtually, every single player. That one frame means close to nothing, and the SAR-21 is, still, a pretty lousy gun.

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Monday, October 20th 2014, 6:12pm

HPET question was directed at 3VN.
[Aristocrat's Shoes]
TLDR -
Teamwork is where players function by themselves, but their effectiveness is multiplied when they work together. Not a checklist of "did we bring a healer so we can start playing?"

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Monday, October 20th 2014, 6:44pm

Default HPET for an ASUS ROG (VII) mobo. I'll test in the evening if it makes a difference.
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Monday, October 20th 2014, 7:13pm

Kk, ez; Keep LMB down and more bullets are fired...

*innocentface*..... :love:
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Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

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Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, October 21st 2014, 12:59pm

Ok, after tweaking the analysis code, recording setup, and wtf-Iím-doing-in-game for most of last night, I still didnít end up with so great footage (and no HPET check either). Some preliminary analyses on bursting are anyway now shown in the third post. Miffyliís revised script logs also the spread values, so the plots now show the dynamics of spread too.

So, look at SCAR-H in there. I have AEK bursting as well but canít wrap it into a figure now.

All critique and suggestions welcome.
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Tuesday, October 21st 2014, 1:26pm

Woah woah slow down man, I am still trying to digest first post...

Also stickied. I know it doesn't rub it to everybody's faces like it should but at least keeps it somewhere where people can find it.
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included

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Tuesday, October 21st 2014, 2:09pm

Woah woah slow down man, I am still trying to digest first post...

Also stickied. I know it doesn't rub it to everybody's faces like it should but at least keeps it somewhere where people can find it.


^^

Maybe some Green Chartreuse as digestif?

Uh, and dat sticky reminds me of other, eh, ...stickied... analyses that need to be redone from scratch because these observations make obsolete each and every prior mathematical consideration involving RoF :pinch: ggwp.
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Tuesday, October 21st 2014, 3:25pm

It's a neat find etc, but it's just another step towards understanding how the game handles gun mechanics and input. In no way, besides scientific diligence shown by Miffyli and 3VN, is it remarkable because the hierarchy remains the same, and it's all due to how the guns ACTUALLY perform for, virtually, every single player. That one frame means close to nothing, and the SAR-21 is, still, a pretty lousy gun.


While I fully agree, it could be worth noting that, time-wise, "that one frame" is literally the only difference between M416 and AEK during the first six bullets.

And also, much self-entitled to double-post he is!
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Tuesday, October 21st 2014, 3:36pm

While I fully agree, it could be worth noting that, time-wise, "that one frame" is literally the only difference between M416 and AEK during the first six bullets.

Which brings us back to the fact that the middle-of-the-road RPM weapons are, actually, pretty fucking good for a lot of things, and that fact surfaces in gun usage trends.

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Tuesday, October 21st 2014, 4:56pm

Please help me understand how the analysis of the SCAR-H is consistent with the ROF for the weapon. For example, in the attached diagram the time between the v-recoil spikes is about 66ms. This is not consistent with the ROF of 96.8ms between shots fired.