It definitely shouldn't affect so many weapons, it's too big of an advantage for a single perk.

Change it back to how it was originally shipped as: "Countering CQB Snipers by changing the chest shot multiplier for them." Either give the Sniper Rifles 80 damage with a 1.25x multiplier like in BF3 with Body Armor changing it to 1.0, or make it so that it only affects the 7.62 Bolt Action rounds. I don't think it'd be that hard for the Body Armor to check for the round type before determining whether or not to use its .93x multiplier.

Quoted from "NoctyrneSAGA"

Change it back to how it was originally shipped as: "Countering CQB Snipers by changing the chest shot multiplier for them." Either give the Sniper Rifles 80 damage with a 1.25x multiplier like in BF3 with Body Armor changing it to 1.0, or make it so that it only affects the 7.62 Bolt Action rounds. I don't think it'd be that hard for the Body Armor to check for the round type before determining whether or not to use its .93x multiplier.

Genious! Definetly +1 to this!

One good thing to do would be switching over the places of Faster Health Regen and Body Armor in the Defensive field upgrade. I don't think faster regen is much of a problem, so it is fine in the first slot. Body Armor however, for how stupid it is, should be nothing less than last in the perk tree - a reward for good teamwork.

Just aim for the dick, problem solved.

Disagree.

The first perks of the tree are the defining perks, the reason you would chose it in the first place. The primary purpose of the mechanic tree is repairing vehicles, so faster repairs comes first. Combat medic gives you more medkits, shadow gives you quick un-spot, etc. Defensive is focused around surviving higher amounts of damage, so it only makes sense that armor comes first.

Anyway, the .93 multiplier of armor isn't a big deal, the legs and stomach which make up around half the player model have that multiplier anyway, even without armor equipped.

For most of the automatic weapons it makes little difference. The result is that at certain ranges it will take one more hit to kill, often it will have no effect at all on bullets to kill with these weapons.

It prevents sniper rifles from getting one hit kills to the chest at close range, which is something most of you seem perfectly fine with.

It prevents shotgun slugs from killing in one shot to the chest at close range... Why is this a problem? If you want reliable one hit kills within 15m, use flechette or buckshot*, slug gives a big boost to effective range, its weakness is up close. In BF3 slugs rendered other shotgun shells obsolete. They killed reliably at close range and remained effective over a long distance.

The only real "problem" with armor is its effectiveness against buckshot, and that's only because it has a 0.67x multiplier against it, which is way out of line with its performance against other weapons. If it was 0.93x like it is for everything else, the difference would hardly be noticeable.

I agree in principle, but DICE has started to adequately balance the game around it. It's a bit backward (instead of just yanking something awful out they're adapting the rest of the game to it), but it's not necessarily cancerous if they do it properly.

The problem isn't Body Armor being the first perk in the tree. If they made it lv3 or 4, then it would only promote Snowballing, as the winning team will be more likely to never get squad wipes, and thus fortify their advantage when all 10 squads suddenly take 10% less damage, compared to the team that's already losing. This isn't DOTA 2 guys.


What they should do instead is either remove it, or make the other trees lv1 perks as enticing.