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Friday, November 8th 2013, 2:58pm

Moving spread datas misconceptions

So,during these day some of us(me too) comed to the conclusion that with high chances ,the moving spread are terribly wrong as the moving spread isn't a spread itself,but just a malus,yet,this can't be explained with only some doubts in random threads,therefor,i made this topic so everyone knows about and talks about it in a thread based only for this problem.

i have nothing else to say,excpet that this isn't visible only on the ergo grip,but on other things like suppressors too.

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actual arguments of the thread

calculating moving spread,not just writing it on paper for accessories(apparently nobody cares of this one)
moving speed may affect moving spread(apparently i'm the only who doesn't care about this one)
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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:02pm

So,during these day some of us(me too) comed to the conclusion that with high chances ,the moving spread are terribly wrong as the moving spread isn't a spread itself,but just a malus,yet,this can't be explained with only some doubts in random threads,therefor,i made this topic so everyone knows about and talks about it in a thread based only for this problem.

i have nothing else to say,excpet that this isn't visible only on the ergo grip,but on other things like suppressors too.
Ok so with the M16a4 the base moving ADS spread is 1.0 stock. Now with the ERGO, that should drop to .5? Or am I miscalculating?

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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:06pm

So,during these day some of us(me too) comed to the conclusion that with high chances ,the moving spread are terribly wrong as the moving spread isn't a spread itself,but just a malus,yet,this can't be explained with only some doubts in random threads,therefor,i made this topic so everyone knows about and talks about it in a thread based only for this problem.

i have nothing else to say,excpet that this isn't visible only on the ergo grip,but on other things like suppressors too.
Ok so with the M16a4 the base moving ADS spread is 1.0 stock. Now with the ERGO, that should drop to .5? Or am I miscalculating?

if in this case the malus is of .08 ,then the malus becomes 0.4,making the 0.2 ads spread become 0.6 while moving.

but as i said already,nobody of us is sure of this thing of the malus-es,so the one right here may be actually you,meaning that the stats really are crazy and that apparently dice did something wrong.
"I'm just a loot whore."


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handgun medals RANK:2236 TOP:2% OUT OF:143874
longest headshot RANK:9512 TOP:4% OUT OF:257589
recon score RANK:10871 TOP:4% OUT OF:274899
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bf3
31/3/2012 4:58:

Headshot distance RANK:493* TOP:0%
Revives per assault minute RANK: 6019 TOP: 3%
Headshots / kill percentage RANK:25947 TOP:13%
MVP ribbons RANK:18824 TOP:11%

*= 6 if we not count the EOD BOT headshots

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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:07pm

So,during these day some of us(me too) comed to the conclusion that with high chances ,the moving spread are terribly wrong as the moving spread isn't a spread itself,but just a malus,yet,this can't be explained with only some doubts in random threads,therefor,i made this topic so everyone knows about and talks about it in a thread based only for this problem.

i have nothing else to say,excpet that this isn't visible only on the ergo grip,but on other things like suppressors too.
Ok so with the M16a4 the base moving ADS spread is 1.0 stock. Now with the ERGO, that should drop to .5? Or am I miscalculating?

if in this case the malus is of .08 ,then the malus becomes 0.4,making the 0.2 ads spread become 0.6 while moving.

but as i said already,nobody of us is sure of this thing of the malus-es,so the one right here may be actually you,meaning that the stats really are crazy and that apparently dice did something wrong.
What about Belt Fed LMGs? M240B, MG4?

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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:10pm

So,during these day some of us(me too) comed to the conclusion that with high chances ,the moving spread are terribly wrong as the moving spread isn't a spread itself,but just a malus,yet,this can't be explained with only some doubts in random threads,therefor,i made this topic so everyone knows about and talks about it in a thread based only for this problem.

i have nothing else to say,excpet that this isn't visible only on the ergo grip,but on other things like suppressors too.
Ok so with the M16a4 the base moving ADS spread is 1.0 stock. Now with the ERGO, that should drop to .5? Or am I miscalculating?

if in this case the malus is of .08 ,then the malus becomes 0.4,making the 0.2 ads spread become 0.6 while moving.

but as i said already,nobody of us is sure of this thing of the malus-es,so the one right here may be actually you,meaning that the stats really are crazy and that apparently dice did something wrong.
What about Belt Fed LMGs? M240B, MG4?

it doesn't matter,all that matters is that in the case of the ergo grip doesn't halves the total moving spread,but only the moving spread malus.

so basically,most -if not all- of the stats with certain accessories MAY be wrong.
"I'm just a loot whore."


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rush mode score RANK:2794 TOP:2% OUT OF:215398
obliteration mode scoreRANK:994 TOP:1% OUT OF:159466
handgun medals RANK:2236 TOP:2% OUT OF:143874
longest headshot RANK:9512 TOP:4% OUT OF:257589
recon score RANK:10871 TOP:4% OUT OF:274899
general score per minute RANK:10016 TOP:4% OUT OF:294774

bf3
31/3/2012 4:58:

Headshot distance RANK:493* TOP:0%
Revives per assault minute RANK: 6019 TOP: 3%
Headshots / kill percentage RANK:25947 TOP:13%
MVP ribbons RANK:18824 TOP:11%

*= 6 if we not count the EOD BOT headshots

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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:15pm

In this case DICE's description might be correct, it says it halves the moving spread penalty, implying it's something that's added onto the "base" spread, that one being when standing still.

Or DICE made a booboo/gave us some crazy guns that can be more accurate when moving.

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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:25pm

it'd nice if you guys would summon me or Sym with @ (Preferably me in case of BF4 stuff) thing if something like this pops up, plus briefly explain what might be wrong and where (or what needs explaining et cetera). We're often too busy with programming / our lives to check all new posts/topics daily.

Now. Could somebody briefly tell me what is wrong and where? After reading this and Silencer topic my brain just flopped. Also explain to me what is "malus", since translating/googling it up doesn't get me anywhere.
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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:28pm

it'd nice if you guys would summon me or Sym with @ (Preferably me in case of BF4 stuff) thing if something like this pops up, plus briefly explain what might be wrong and where (or what needs explaining et cetera). We're often too busy with programming / our lives to check all new posts/topics daily.

Now. Could somebody briefly tell me what is wrong and where? After reading this and Silencer topic my brain just flopped. Also explain to me what is "malus", since translating/googling it up doesn't get me anywhere.

the moving spread isn't the moving spread. it's lower, because it's affected by the moving speed.
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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:28pm

Also explain to me what is "malus", since translating/googling it up doesn't get me anywhere.


it's just a fancy word for "penalty".

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Friday, November 8th 2013, 3:32pm

it'd nice if you guys would summon me or Sym with @ (Preferably me in case of BF4 stuff) thing if something like this pops up, plus briefly explain what might be wrong and where (or what needs explaining et cetera). We're often too busy with programming / our lives to check all new posts/topics daily.

Now. Could somebody briefly tell me what is wrong and where? After reading this and Silencer topic my brain just flopped. Also explain to me what is "malus", since translating/googling it up doesn't get me anywhere.

the moving spread isn't the moving spread. it's lower, because it's affected by the moving speed.

Ooright. We'll look into that when Sym gets back to his main computer.

Also explain to me what is "malus", since translating/googling it up doesn't get me anywhere.


it's just a fancy word for "penalty".

Silly fancy English. Thanks for clearing that up.
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included