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Saturday, June 11th 2016, 12:29am

"Shooting Mechanic" TTK

The Time to Kill graphs available here in Weapon Info and also used by Multi-Comparison uses the weapon's programmed RoF values. However, as it is now well established by 3VN's work on BF4 Shooting Mechanics that due to "Tickrates," certain weapons actually shoot the same up to certain burst lengths.

Since I made up a formula to calculate Shoot-and-Recover Times with various Tickrates, I thought it might be interesting to make a table that shows actual in-game TTK, splitting weapons into groups that perform the same in that condition.

Here is the table for 40m, with 100% Hitrate, same as the graphs here. Also same as the graphs, NO RECOVERY is done.

Environments are 30Hz, 40Hz, 45Hz and 60Hz.

Target health settings are Core (100hp), Core with Def (100hp / 0.93), Hardcore (60hp) and Hardcore with Def (60hp / 0.93).

30Hz Tickrate


Core


0.2666666667s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.3s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.3333333333s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)

0.3666666667s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)

0.4s
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)

0.4333333333s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)

0.4666666667s
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.5s
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • P90 (900RPM)

0.5333333333s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.5666666667s
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.6666666667s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.8666666667s
  • SR338 (200RPM)

Core vs. Defensive Perk


0.3333333333s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.3666666667s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.4s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.4333333333s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)

0.4666666667s
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)

0.5s
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • P90 (900RPM)

0.5333333333s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)

0.5666666667s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.6s
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.6333333333s
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.6666666667s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.8666666667s
  • SR338 (200RPM)

Hardcore


0.1666666667s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.2s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)

0.2333333333s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)

0.2666666667s
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)

0.3s
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.3333333333s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.3666666667s
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.4333333333s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.5666666667s
  • SR338 (200RPM)

Hardcore vs. Defensive Perk


0.2333333333s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)

0.2666666667s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)

0.3s
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.3333333333s
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.3666666667s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.4s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.4333333333s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.5666666667s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


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Saturday, June 11th 2016, 12:30am

40Hz Tickrate


Core


0.275s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.325s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)

0.35s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)

0.375s
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)

0.4s
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.425s
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)

0.45s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)

0.475s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)

0.5s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)

0.525s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)
  • P90 (900RPM)

0.55s
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.575s
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.675s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.875s
  • SR338 (200RPM)

Core vs. Defensive Perk


0.35s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.375s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.4s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.425s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)

0.45s
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)

0.475s
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)

0.5s
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)

0.525s
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • P90 (900RPM)

0.55s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.575s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.6s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.625s
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.675s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.875s
  • SR338 (200RPM)

Hardcore


0.175s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.2s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)

0.225s
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)

0.25s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)

0.275s
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)

0.3s
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.325s
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.35s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.375s
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.45s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.575s
  • SR338 (200RPM)

Hardcore vs. Defensive Perk


0.225s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.25s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)

0.275s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)

0.3s
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.325s
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.35s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.375s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.4s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.45s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.575s
  • SR338 (200RPM)

This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Veritable" (Jun 11th 2016, 2:27am)


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Saturday, June 11th 2016, 12:31am

45Hz Tickrate (PS4 / XB1)


Core


0.2888888889s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.3111111111s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.3333333333s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)

0.3555555556s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)

0.3777777778s
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)

0.4s
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)

0.4222222222s
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)

0.4444444444s
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)

0.4666666667s
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.4888888889s
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.5111111111s
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.5333333333s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.5777777778s
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.6888888889s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.8888888889s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


Core vs. Defensive Perk


0.3555555556s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.3777777778s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.4s
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.4222222222s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)

0.4444444444s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)

0.4666666667s
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)

0.4888888889s
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • MP7 (950RPM)

0.5111111111s
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • P90 (900RPM)

0.5333333333s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)

0.5555555556s
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.5777777778s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.6s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.6444444444s
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.6888888889s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.8888888889s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


Hardcore


0.1777777778s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.2s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)

0.2222222222s
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)

0.2444444444s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)

0.2666666667s
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)

0.2888888889s
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.3111111111s
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.3333333333s
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.3555555556s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.3777777778s
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.4444444444s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.5777777778s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


Hardcore vs. Defensive Perk


0.2222222222s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.2444444444s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)

0.2666666667s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)

0.2888888889s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)

0.3111111111s
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.3333333333s
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.3555555556s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.3777777778s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.4s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.4444444444s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.5777777778s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


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Saturday, June 11th 2016, 12:31am

60Hz Tickrate


Core


0.2833333333s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.3166666667s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.3333333333s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)

0.35s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)

0.3666666667s
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)

0.3833333333s
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)

0.4s
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)

0.4166666667s
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)

0.4333333333s
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)

0.45s
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)

0.4666666667s
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.4833333333s
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)

0.5s
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.5166666667s
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.5333333333s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)

0.55s
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.5666666667s
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)

0.5833333333s
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.6833333333s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.8833333333s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


Core vs. Defensive Perk


0.35s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.3833333333s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.4166666667s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.4333333333s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)

0.45s
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)

0.4666666667s
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)

0.4833333333s
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)

0.5s
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • MP7 (950RPM)

0.5166666667s
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • P90 (900RPM)

0.5333333333s
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)

0.55s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.5666666667s
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)

0.5833333333s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.6s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.6166666667s
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.6333333333s
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.6833333333s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.8833333333s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


Hardcore


0.1666666667s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)

0.1833333333s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)

0.2s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)

0.2166666667s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)

0.2333333333s
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)

0.25s
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)

0.2666666667s
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)

0.2833333333s
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)

0.3s
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.3166666667s
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.35s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.3666666667s
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.3833333333s
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.45s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.5833333333s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


Hardcore vs. Defensive Perk


0.2333333333s
  • FAMAS (1000RPM AR)
  • CZ3A1 (1000RPM 9mm)

0.25s
  • AEK971 (900RPM AR)
  • Bulldog (700RPM HAR)
  • MTAR (900RPM Car)
  • ASVAL (900RPM 9x39)
  • JS2 (900RPM 9mm)
  • SR2 (900RPM 9mm)

0.2666666667s
  • F2000 (850RPM AR)
  • M240 (650RPM GPMG)
  • ACE52 (650RPM HCar)
  • ACW (880RPM Car)
  • MPX (850RPM)

0.2833333333s
  • M16A4 (800RPM AR)
  • M249 (800RPM LMG)
  • MG4 (800RPM LMG)
  • SCARH (620RPM HAR)
  • PKP (600RPM GPMG)
  • RPK47 (600RPM)
  • SG553 (830RPM Car)
  • MX4 (830RPM 9mm)
  • A91 (800RPM Car)
  • M4 (800RPM Car)

0.3s
  • AWS (780RPM LMG)
  • ACE23 (770RPM AR)
  • MP7 (950RPM)
  • M60 (570RPM GPMG)
  • ACE21 (770RPM Car)

0.3166666667s
  • L85A2 (750RPM AR)
  • M416 (750RPM AR)
  • Groza1 (725RPM)
  • P90 (900RPM)
  • PDWR (750RPM Car)

0.3333333333s
  • AR160 (700RPM AR)
  • AUG (700RPM AR)
  • CZ805 (700RPM AR)
  • L86 (700RPM LMG)
  • Type88 (700RPM LMG)
  • Ak5C (700RPM Car)
  • UMP9 (700RPM 9mm)
  • CBJ (700RPM)
  • Groza4 (700RPM 9x39)

0.35s
  • SKS (333RPM LDMR)
  • AKU12 (680RPM Car)

0.3666666667s
  • AK12 (650RPM AR)
  • LSAT (650RPM LMG)
  • QBB95 (650RPM LMG)
  • QBZ95 (650RPM AR)
  • G36C (650RPM Car)
  • Type95 (650RPM Car)

0.3833333333s
  • AN94 (600RPM AR)
  • RPK12 (600RPM LMG)
  • SAR21 (600RPM AR)
  • QBU88 (310RPM LDMR)
  • M39 (300RPM DMR)
  • UMP45 (600RPM)

0.4s
  • U100 (590RPM LMG)

0.45s
  • ACE53 (260RPM DMR)
  • Mk11 (260RPM DMR)
  • RFB (260RPM DMR)
  • SCARHSV (260RPM DMR)
  • SVD12 (260RPM DMR)

0.5833333333s
  • SR338 (200RPM)


This post has been edited 1 times, last edit by "Veritable" (Jun 13th 2016, 10:17pm)


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Monday, July 18th 2016, 12:16pm

My FAMAS on top as usual ! Not to anyone's surprise. Why did u chose 40m as distance, isn't it a tad too much giving PDWs a distinct disadvantage ?

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Monday, July 18th 2016, 2:34pm

Indeed I think looking only at 40m is very much just a snapshot of a weapon's TTK. For example it falls right within the 12m window where the RPK and RPK-12 have the same BTK.

It should be considered, though, that the difference in TTK between 750 and 650 RPM at that range is generally below 0.1s - shorter than the average human reaction time. As such it's not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
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Of course, this ignores the non-constant cross-sectional first moment of area across the chest as well as non-constant material properties of the boob; it would be difficult to perform a more detailed analysis (as in, I'd have to have a shape function AND I'd need to derive a function for elastic modulus as a function of lateral breast coordinate) but whatever. It's 2am and I'm lazy.


I always believed science should be very hands on experience.

You should also answer this question I had posed in that thread: Would you be willing to pay your surgeon more if he was going to use a chainsaw for the opening incision of surgery? Clearly using a chainsaw isn't truly suited for surgery but that doesn't really matter. If he's "skilled" enough to be able to use the wrong tools of the trade, he should be rewarded for that skill right?


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Monday, July 18th 2016, 2:59pm

Hmm this is indeed something I could try to fix for BF1 TTKs, altho it seems it will be running on min. 60Hz which is a ton better than 30Hz. Anyways other aspects will be tweaked for TTK in BF1 as well (maybe add more options, handle bursts better, etc)
Links to users' thread list who have made analytical/statistical/mathematical/cool posts on Symthic:
  • 3VerstsNorth - Analysis of game mechanics in BF4 (tickrates, effects of tickrate, etc)
  • leptis - Analysis of shotguns, recoil, recoil control and air drag.
  • Veritable - Scoring of BF4/BF1 firearms in terms of usability, firing and other mechanics.
  • Miffyli - Random statistical analysis of BF4 battlereports/players and kill-distances. (list is cluttered with other threads).
Sorry if your name wasn't on the list, I honestly can't recall all names : ( . Nudge me if you want to be included

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Saturday, July 23rd 2016, 7:10am

I may be wrong but pretty sure console isn't getting the same high tickrates as PC