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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 1:57pm

do u even df bro?

Actually it's horrible for vehicles, particularly air vehicles where the layout literally prevents you from performing movements needed to win.
Best example: countermeasures. You can't yaw and fire countermeasures at the same time (both are left thumb). Dice pls.

I wrote a very lengthy post about it on BL.

You're right, custom mappings are what is needed. PS4 and X1 provide that to some degree but there are limitations on X1 (not sure about PS4?)...

....Or the devs could, you know, actually play the game and realise the layout sucks and make the defaults good ;)

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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 2:18pm

Battlefield seems to have a long history of sub-optimal console controller layouts. I wonder if that will improve for BF1?


BF4 Controller Layout is good. For Vehicles and a lot better for Soldiers than it was in BF3.

e.g. Jumping and turning Aim-Point. As long as these two actions have to be done by ONE thumb on ONE side. You cant do them simultaneously.

There was a discussion about passive-spotting.

If we dont need to press a button any more to spot, then finally there is a free button for jumping (with trigger-finger) and turning aim-point (thumb)

DICE just needs to let players set their own Buttons. As it is still on PC.

When I was playing on PS1 (1 !!!!) I had the option to set the buttons on my own. Idk why that's gone since PS2.

you still can, check the accessibility options, you can swap out almost all the buttons on the controller for whatever you want.
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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 2:59pm

@KDNS

Jet and Tank controls set to Veteran and they are like BF3 again. Only "problem" CM+Yaw with left thumb, but dont forget: Enemy jet shouldnt be able to do lock on in the first place, second your positioning for engaging dogfights is poor.

in this thread it's about the Zou-Zou and other "Trick"-Shots.

There are reasons to complain about Controller layout, but this is not the right threat for it.

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you still can, check the accessibility options, you can swap out almost all the buttons on the controller for whatever you want.


I am playing BF on PS3/4 entirely and there is no such way, I could set the buttons to my own preference at all. There are presets with minor button switches.

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Button switches Available:

Crouch from O -> R3
Knife from R3 -> O
ADS/Shoot from L2/R2 -> L1/R1

and the rest I forgot about, because I cant access my PS for the next few months


I have searched for it a long time, but really couldnt find any option to customize it even further, so if there really is something. Then give me a PS4 screenshot from BF4 customization menu and I will believe you.


So far the only advices I got have been about cracking up the Sensitivity + ADS off + Button Switches (which I already had).

Neither of them adresses the problem of Realizing the Zou-zou on a controller.

Jumping + Crouching + Turning 90 within a fraction of seconds all done with 1 right thumb.
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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 3:34pm

Jet and Tank controls set to Veteran and they are like BF3 again.


Of course I run veteran. I'm not new to this ;) But they are not quite the same, and even BF3 was suboptimal.

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Only "problem" CM+Yaw with left thumb,


There are several others.

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but dont forget: Enemy jet shouldnt be able to do lock on in the first place,


You obviously dont df much. ECM is used to hide you from air radar, not only as defense against lockons. Also, if you are circling with another jet who cannot lockon anyway, that does not prevent other enemy from locking on....

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second your positioning for engaging dogfights is poor.


You're welcome to df me any time if you think my positioning is poor ;)

in this thread it's about the Zou-Zou and other "Trick"-Shots.


Yes and my point is that for many reasons the controller layout is sub-optimal. As for infantry you have already given some examples.

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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 3:41pm

your appeal to df irritates me. I tried hard to learn it, but I quickly lost interest because its actually dull and boring to swing in circles.
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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 4:31pm

not in bf4 settings, i'm talking abut the ps4 settings, here



proof that it works is that i now have crouch on R2 and spot on R3.
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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 6:04pm

your appeal to df irritates me. I tried hard to learn it, but I quickly lost interest because its actually dull and boring to swing in circles.


Sorry I didn't mean to irritate, I'm just being cheeky.

Let's just say, that for varying reasons, we'd both like to see keymappings on console :)

Regarding the above menu, the xbox recently got an update that allowed users to remap the controller too. It's tricky because some things can't be swapped (triggers and something else I forget) and also the buttons remain re-mapped through all menus and games and apps. It's not so bad with the elite controller because it has a switch, so you can put a stock layout on one position, and your custom layout on the other.... but it would be far better if it were supported in-game. I don't understand why it's not? I mean.... as a coder it seems simple and lightweight and.... I just don't see what's stopping them.

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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 6:18pm

I gonna leave Consoles ASAP anyway.

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  • There is no interesting console exclusive anymore.

  • I could plug in any controller to PC if I think a game is played better by controller (eg racing)

  • I love backwards compatibility (I still play a lot of games on old gen PS3)

  • The fast and huge hardware leaps have flattened --> longer life span of a build

  • basically the greatest amount of Freedom possible

  • The Evolving games with many patches made the comfort of a console irrelevant.

  • Disc start to become annoying.

    The thing with hackers is still a huge drop; and the huge entry price,

    from an objective point of view, everything which made consoles favourable (longer life span of a build, comfortable and lack of hackers) are gone. So I might as well just take full advantage.
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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 7:45pm

the disc and exclusives thing it's subjective anyway, i still love those, although there are indeed less exclusives than before, it doesn't mean there aren't.
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Thursday, August 25th 2016, 10:01pm

I gonna leave Consoles ASAP anyway.


Agreed!