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Wednesday, March 16th 2016, 9:51pm

That's true, a PDW is something a soldier with minimal small arms training could potentially use. From a realism standpoint, most militaries do not field very many PDWs at all. You won't see them used by anyone much other than vehicle crews due to the ineffective nature of their ammo. Any army is going to prefer giving a general support troop a compact rifle that fires an intermediate rifle cartridge, so from a realism standpoint you would see exponentially more carbines in the hands of general support troops than a PDW. The only reason for using a PDW at all is the limited space of vehicles, otherwise nearly any person with a gun would be better suited with a true rifle caliber firearm. Comparing a 5.7x28mm to a 5.56x45mm is a joke in terms of damage done to the target, hydrostatic shock caused by a rifle round is devastating and does more damage than anything a small PDW caliber is capable of.

Supply of the STG was limited, no doubt. What I'm saying is even if they had enough I don't think they would have supplied them to regular infantry, even if they could be trained. It was still widely believed that regular troops with full-automatic weapons would be a substantial waste of ammunition and get them into bad habits of spraying rather than aiming. The argument had been going on since the American Civil War, the Union started fielding small amounts of repeater rifles (southerners referred to them as "the Yankee gun you could load on Sunday and shoot all week"). The Henry rifle gets the glory, although the Spencer rifle was used in much higher numbers and could also come close to matching the shot power of the blackpowder muzzleloaders (unlike the Henry which was more an intermediate caliber much like an AR today). The generals of both sides thought that widespread use of repeaters would deplete their ammunition supplies too quickly. After the performance of repeaters in battles like Gettysburg they still held out and the US would use single-shot .45-70 rifles until adopting the Krag bolt-actions in the 1890s. By WW2 that same philosophy of regular soldiers wasting ammunition too quickly was still very much alive. I'll agree Germany did not have the supplies of STGs to go around, even if they did they would not have equipped them widely and especially not on the eastern front. They'd had supply problems from Berlin to Stalingrad the whole war, the last thing they needed was entire units burning through ammo they couldn't replenish quick enough.
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Thursday, March 17th 2016, 12:48pm


I agree that PDW rounds aren't suitable for the front line. However, it still doesn't change the fact that they can be used effectively by anyone. Therefore, universal weapon class.

As for the whole mentality of ammo waste, that was just people in the upper echelons being boneheaded morons. Soviet armies had very large numbers of SMGs among the troops long before WWII and fielded the SKS late in the war. Also, while Hitler WAS initially against the idea (old-fashioned WWI mentality and all), he did warm up to the idea before the war was over.

It wasn't until the cold war that Western armies started fielding a decent intermediate rifle (Most likely a while after the whole M16 debacle). The M1 Carbine made by U.S. forces was nice and all but it was no 7.92 Kurz or 7.62x39. Meanwhile, the Soviets had already made the AK-47 in large numbers for DECADES.