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Thursday, July 23rd 2015, 2:31am

The unique look of these is getting patched out though: IIRC they got phased out in one of the CTE patches. RIP CX4, PS90 and USC-9/45 ;(

I'll miss them too. :S :( ;(
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Thursday, July 23rd 2015, 1:28pm

I admit that I am similar, in that I gravitate towards running Ergo / Vertical Grips pretty much just because the guy in the 3D model / loadout screen is holding it adequately. The same hand position is used for all the grips, and thus the AFG is gripped horribly... but even that is not as bad as the Stubby, what with the bottom 3 fingers grasping onto NOTHING. Ugh.

When using belt fed LMGs, the guy doesn't even hold the grip. He holds the box, and the grip is untouched on the front.
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How to ice an A-91

Next, wanna try adding a guy that you KNOW is bad, and just testing to see that? Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

Example: PP-2000 (god I so wanna love this gun, and yet...)

PP-2000 added. Y'know, it's not that bad....

Yes, it comes in last so far, but that is mostly because I'm making it shoot at 100m ADS - Not Moving as one of the criteria. Even then, between 50-100m Not Moving, when you include Useability, it is only 1.37% worse than the MTAR-21. Within 50m then it even beats the A-91.

Have a look, vs. the A-91 Carbine:

Using it with Muzzle Brake and Compensator is a wash in terms of overall performance. Comp is SLIGHTLY more accurate, while MB is SLIGHTLY more easy to use. Their overall scores are basically tied, with MB just ahead. I guess either can be recommended.

But... You can't be counting for the fact that it takes 9 bullets to kill at "long" range... Don't you dare tell me my A-91 is worse than a 9 BTK 650 RPM mediocre PDW.

Also. Just go heavy barrel. The recoil is low enough.

Well, technically...

Comparing a PP2K with HB and an A-91 with comp and stubby (as you suggested in an earlier post), at 50m not moving, the A-91 is only better by 4 damage per hitrate. While at 75m and 100m, surprisingly the PP2K does better than the A-91 (I'm pretty damn surprised as well).

And 10m and 50m moving the PP2K also does more damage per hitrate than the A-91. At 25m the A-91 is only better by about half a bullet's damage as well.

In addition, the PP2K has a much larger mag size and substantially less recoil. And it looks hella awesome. So comparing the A-91 to a PDW is of some worth after all, as the PP2K is better (technically, not practically) than the A-91.

Mind blown.

I... I...

*cries in a corner*

Zer0Cod3x explained it very well. If you look at the raw numbers right here on Symthic Comparison, you can see how that happened:

A-91 vs PP-2000 | BF4 Weapon Comparison | Symthic

A-91's "23%" RPM advantage only afforded it 1 extra round.

Reload times are wash.

Velocities are wash.

V-Recoil are wash (and this is HBar on PP2k vs. A-91 without).

Hipfire and ADS - Moving are better on the PP2k, but it's a PDW and not the surprising part.

The surprising part is that, as equipped (and we see above that PP2k HBar has almost same V-Recoil as A-91 without HBar so why not?), the PDW performs better at 50 - 100m than a bloody Carbine. Why?

H-Recoil Spread, 0.525 vs. 0.45, advantage PP2k.

SIPS, 42% better on the PP2k.

And here is the most important part. ADS - Not Moving Spread, 0.35 vs. 0.2, 43% improvement.

Without HBar then of course the PP2k loses, which is why when I add all the attachments together for an Overall Ranking, it would slot below the A-91. Run HBar on it, though, then... I'm sorry

I... I...



In all seriousness, thank you both so much for giving me the numbers. I still don't want to accept them. You have led the horse to water. I still need to drink.


Veni, SMAW, Vici


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Thursday, July 23rd 2015, 10:34pm

Kinda disappointed they don't have integrated laser on the P90 while it exists for the UTS-15 and the PDW-R. The extended rail on that thing is hideous.

It really does. They could have at least used the side rails; CoD4's P90 always has an unusable laser mounted there:

This is why I don't use the P90 as much as I did in BF3.

Fucking DICE Rails man.

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Saturday, July 25th 2015, 11:12am

Is it just me or are the long heavy barrels for UMP/MX4 gone in CTE?
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Saturday, July 25th 2015, 12:40pm

Mx4: Heavy Barrel
UMP45: Heavy Barrel
P90: Heavy Barrel
UMP9: Heavy Barrel
The unique look of these is getting patched out though: IIRC they got phased out in one of the CTE patches. RIP CX4, PS90 and USC-9/45 ;(