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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 4:49pm

Symthic's opinions on May 26th patch.

This started off as a "What pissed you off today?" post, but I then decided I wanted to hear other people's opinions and derailing Off-topic thread to a Battlefield-related discussion wasn't right. And the patch notes thread is about patch notes and technical stuff.

So... The worst part about the patch is by far the reactions I'm reading on reddit. Holy hell... so many complaints:

- you can't see anything with IRNV/FLIR;
- SRAW is not usable anymore;
- jets are horrible now, their physics are ruined, cannons are weak against everything and JDAMs suck;
- stealth is impossible;
- tracers look like lasers and you can see everyone;
- PDWs are nerfed;
- visual recoil is back;
- TV missiles are ruined;
- small modes are worse because they cut off the roofs;
- gun x has been nerfed;
- gun y has been buffed;
- it's a game for casuals now;
- they ruined Battlefield!;
- BF4 was the best BF, now it's the worst;
- Hardline now looks better;
- they ruined it so people by Hardline;
- DICE hates Engineers and vehicles, love Assaults.

Surprisingly, the mob hasn't noticed suppression yet? I mean, it's not easy to notice it, but you'd think they would complain anyway the moment that word has been mentioned in the patch notes... they probably didn't read them.

There is surely some stuff I missed. This video sums it up so well, but I don't think I've seen so much hate for a patch yet. And the worst part is, I think it's a great patch myself so far. My only gripes so far (I haven't tried vehicles yet and they seem to be "ruined" the most):

- SRAW could be nerfed differently, but I'll adapt;
- tracers are... weird? I think I liked the last ones more. Not a huge deal though, the 3P tracers don't seem to be much more pronounced as people say they are...
- "netcode" does some wonky stuff. Every times I played it seemed like I played against high-pingers - they killed me super quick with uber fast reactions or I did that to them, not many situations where I killed the enemy and he hurt me. Also the point feed is now lagged compared to the kills themselves I think. At least it was for me. It could be just a placebo or bad luck, I'll have to play more to judge.

Other stuff in the patch (that I've tried) I like. Maaybe the patch really ruined Battlefield!, but some of the complaints are so clearly stupid and clueless. They made the weapon balance better and gunplay more skillful, removed auto callouts, nerfed spotting and people say it's now for casuals and stealth is impossible. I don't fucking even... Or my personal favorite - people complaining about not seeing anything on FLIR and posting... them looking at a wall. I'll take a break reading reddit now, before I get a heart attack, it's just not worth it.

And what about you? Do you like the patch? What do you think about these and other complaints? Do you agree with them? Do you have your own?

Edit: "1398 hours since launch. Now this patch however was good for casual players and newer players but it truly fucked over the veteran players and dedicated players" Naver, that's enough, stop reading this...

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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 5:02pm

Misinformation, preconceived notions/biases and a general opposition towards change are what I see on Battlelog. Am I lucky to have avoided the BF4 reddit since the patch launched?

The video you linked is pretty representative of what's up on BLog, but I'd add this: youtube clicky

The youtubers I've seen so far have not even been as wrong as I thought they'd be. Let's see what the future holds.

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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 6:03pm

The patch feels really good to me personally. I just switched back to the trusty SMAW which was usually the better option anyway because the SRAW changing seem a bit overboard but not a huge deal. The UCAV nerf freaking sucks, no other was to put it is just plain retarded.

Every other complaint part of the patch is peoples dumb biases, jets are much closer in line balance wise. TV are IMHO better, more maneuverability in a trade for less range, yes please. PDW's which I already used due to the excellent hipfire are monsters now. The new RPK is basically the best gun in the game now. Suppression is back. Shotguns that were already underrated by the average player kill everything now. So many good changes. Give me grenade and UCAV timers and BF4 would be pretty much complete at that point.

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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 6:19pm

10/10 patch
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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 6:29pm

only change i don't like is ucav change, feels kind of extreme, they just kept nerfing it more and more since the release(like bf3 usas)
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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 6:41pm

10/10 patch

Totally not biased, much like my opinion on the patch which is a subjective observation after three rounds of being gangbanged by three 4-player squads in helis etc along with my beloved 870 not working anymore as it used to, oh and had a bad day apparently.
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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 7:38pm

Initial thoughts:
- The crash fixes are godly. I've only had my game crash ONCE (before it was every other game or so) in the hours I've played since the patch. ONE TIME. I CAN FINALLY ENJOY THIS GAME AGAIN! 8o
- the UCAV/mortar change is annoying, not because I've been using them but because all the idiots living under a rock be like "so [insert faction here] can't use mortars now?" :cursing:
- MBT LAW now deals more damage when laser designated. Not enough to eclipse the Javelin mind you (30 vs. 50), but a great buff nonetheless.
- SO MANY TRACERS. It's like subliminal marketing for Battlefront. Wish they'd tone it down to only proc tracers every fifth bullet or so on automatic weapons like what the US military usually does IRL.
- The new weapons are awesome, but also are letdowns in some aspects:
>>> The Groza-1, while fun, is done unlocking all its base attachments after 60 kills -- even the sidearms have more base attachments than this thing -- and is confined to a run-and-gun play style. Not something I'd normally complain about, but I like having the option of a little versatility.
>>> Groza-4 feels kinda like an easier-to-use AS Val and the extra accuracy is a real boon, but the rapid damage dropoff of the 9x39mm damage model is a massive deal-breaker for ranged damage. Wish they'd bring this back up to 18 to make up for the Groza's and Val's lack of magazine size, but I know that's probably not going to happen.
>>> AN-94: Hopefully they'll add a nerfed bipod back in cuz I really wanna get my AR sniping groove on. Other than that, I'm having a real hard time getting a good RPM out of this thing on burst: partly user error, partly shitty equipment. Need to get my mouse replaced ASAP.
>>> Can't really speak on the L86: haven't put a lot of work on unlocking anything for this yet. Feels really accurate but as with its smaller brother that reload takes for-fucking-ever.
>>> Mare's Leg: scales worse than the Phantom bow in my books when it comes to disappointments. DICEPLS.


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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 7:43pm

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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 8:46pm

The patch is tasty good. Especially with all the salt. :)

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Thursday, May 28th 2015, 8:48pm

So... The worst part about the patch is by far the reactions I'm reading on reddit. Holy hell... so many complaints:

- you can't see anything with IRNV/FLIR;
- SRAW is not usable anymore;
- jets are horrible now, their physics are ruined, cannons are weak against everything and JDAMs suck;
- stealth is impossible;
- tracers look like lasers and you can see everyone;
- PDWs are nerfed;
- visual recoil is back;
- TV missiles are ruined;
- small modes are worse because they cut off the roofs;
- gun x has been nerfed;
- gun y has been buffed;
- it's a game for casuals now;
- they ruined Battlefield!;
- BF4 was the best BF, now it's the worst;
- Hardline now looks better;
- they ruined it so people by Hardline;
- DICE hates Engineers and vehicles, love Assaults.

/r/Battlefield_4 has been awful. I'm fairly certain the same person on there has complained about every bullet point you listed, along with repeating the mantras of 'Battlefield is now COD' and 'The CTE needs Veteran, and Skilful players'.

The patch has been fun thus far; Given me a reason to try out a few new vehicle and class load-outs.