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Thursday, March 27th 2014, 5:32am

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If i'm not mistaken, you have to land 4 hits to the chest to kill someone with an ak47 in counter strike, and 5 with the m4a1. That's almost normal mode standards in bf4. And 1hk snipers in that game makes sense, because the game is oriented to close combat, there is cover everywhere (which means opportunity to close the gap) and, above all, you still have a good chance to kill your opponent since a headshot deals massive amount of damage (the ak47 was 1hk sometimes) and throws the enemy's aim off, not to mention that assault rifles in cs are way more accurate as well.

I would say that 1hk sniper is balanced on counter strike, but not on hardcore mode (at least big and open conquest maps), and that plus the grenade opness is the main reason i don't play hc that much. Rush is ok on hardcore though, it actually has as good cs feel to it.

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Thursday, March 27th 2014, 6:15am

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If i'm not mistaken, you have to land 4 hits to the chest to kill someone with an ak47 in counter strike, and 5 with the m4a1. That's almost normal mode standards in bf4. And 1hk snipers in that game makes sense, because the game is oriented to close combat, there is cover everywhere (which means opportunity to close the gap) and, above all, you still have a good chance to kill your opponent since a headshot deals massive amount of damage (the ak47 was 1hk sometimes) and throws the enemy's aim off, not to mention that assault rifles in cs are way more accurate as well.

You are mistaken. The AK in counter-strike was a 3 hit kill to the chest/torso and the M4 was a 3 hit kill in the torso and a 4 hit kill in the chest. Both would one hit kill to the head without armor while the AK would still OHK to the head even with armor.

I guess that is comparable to Normal mode, but the fact that weapons deal massive headshot damage in CS seems to throw the balance way off.

But the weapons in CS did not have damage drop-off like in Battlefield so you didn't have an increased BTK with distance. That makes their BTK on par with most weapons at medium ranges in HC mode...


All I can say is in CS and in Hardcore mode I feel lethal and in Normal mode I don't. Maybe it is the result of my CS background having me aim for the head when I can, my headshot percentage in BF3 was about 25%...
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Thursday, March 27th 2014, 4:05pm

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If i'm not mistaken, you have to land 4 hits to the chest to kill someone with an ak47 in counter strike, and 5 with the m4a1. That's almost normal mode standards in bf4. And 1hk snipers in that game makes sense, because the game is oriented to close combat, there is cover everywhere (which means opportunity to close the gap) and, above all, you still have a good chance to kill your opponent since a headshot deals massive amount of damage (the ak47 was 1hk sometimes) and throws the enemy's aim off, not to mention that assault rifles in cs are way more accurate as well.

You are mistaken. The AK in counter-strike was a 3 hit kill to the chest/torso and the M4 was a 3 hit kill in the torso and a 4 hit kill in the chest. Both would one hit kill to the head without armor while the AK would still OHK to the head even with armor.

http://counterstrike.wikia.com/wiki/Maverick_M4A1_Carbine

As you can see, 21-22 damage to the chest with armor, and no one ever ran without armor in counter strike

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Thursday, March 27th 2014, 4:23pm

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If i'm not mistaken, you have to land 4 hits to the chest to kill someone with an ak47 in counter strike, and 5 with the m4a1. That's almost normal mode standards in bf4. And 1hk snipers in that game makes sense, because the game is oriented to close combat, there is cover everywhere (which means opportunity to close the gap) and, above all, you still have a good chance to kill your opponent since a headshot deals massive amount of damage (the ak47 was 1hk sometimes) and throws the enemy's aim off, not to mention that assault rifles in cs are way more accurate as well.

You are mistaken. The AK in counter-strike was a 3 hit kill to the chest/torso and the M4 was a 3 hit kill in the torso and a 4 hit kill in the chest. Both would one hit kill to the head without armor while the AK would still OHK to the head even with armor.

Maverick M4A1 Carbine - Counter-Strike Wiki - Weapons, maps, achievements, and more

As you can see, 21-22 damage to the chest with armor, and no one ever ran without armor in counter strike


Subject to conditions. Battlefield has "defensive" as well.


Look, I don't want to turn this thread into a CS vs Battlefield discussion...
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Thursday, March 27th 2014, 4:29pm

Like it. :thumbsup:

As mention before the teamplay emphasis is really crucial; theres actually a lot of talking/screaming going on.

Shooting someone and hearing another one nearby scream "oh noez, we lost a man" really really helps identifying enemies.
Motion Sensors still help with the beep-bop (changed) sound when somebody is nearby.

A warning: On servers with unrestricted sniper-usage gameplay might become slightly frustating due to the OHK range (talking to you, Guilin Peaks!).


haha Watcher, that's my favorite aspect when pushing up in Rush "MAN DOWN!" "We lost a man!" "random russian/chinese". Enemies involuntarily give themselves up for the poaching :)

I think the hardest transition for core players is the lack of 3D dorito spots which let them run RDS sights 24/7 and just point and click into a routine of bursting with the assumption good mechanics = dead player. In HC... they rage sooo fast (on xbox live anyway) about how there's no kill cam or mini map (i swear half of them haven't discoveored holding down start) or about their difficulty identifying targets whether FoF or just not blatantly obvious resulting in think time = dead time.
Did you do a section on side arms? idk if i missed reading it, but the .45 ACP guns are top notch and nitched to play style. The Five seveN with a suppressor is actually viable etc...

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Thursday, March 27th 2014, 11:50pm

Awesome guide. I have a tip for vehicle repair engineers in hardcore. If you see a friendly vehicle that is damaged and needs to be repaired, make sure you press the button assigned for spotting while looking at the vehicle. It will let the driver know you are repairing his vehicle, so he's less likely to run you over :)

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Friday, March 28th 2014, 4:55pm

Awesome guide. I have a tip for vehicle repair engineers in hardcore. If you see a friendly vehicle that is damaged and needs to be repaired, make sure you press the button assigned for spotting while looking at the vehicle. It will let the driver know you are repairing his vehicle, so he's less likely to run you over :)


Good tip!

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Saturday, March 29th 2014, 3:10pm

Incendiary Grenades. They burn through walls. Toss ouside of room. Damage person. Run into room as they are running from " 'otFiah!" shoot in back.

Want to really lock down an area? Drop ammo box. Throw incendiary grenade. Repeat.

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also this overall covers things reasonably well. Dslyecxi's ArmA2 Tactics, Techniques, & Procedures Guide

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Sunday, March 30th 2014, 1:01am

Did you do a section on side arms?
I don't think he did but I'm sure Watcher and I would say the same thing...

I've mentioned it in other threads, but the M1911 is the best sidearm for HC. Partly because of the damage model, partly because of the number of reloads you have with it compared to other handguns.


Also worth mentioning that the XM25 is a 2-hit rather than a 3-hit. Whenever people complain about snipers I always laugh and smoke the perp with the XM25.
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Sunday, March 30th 2014, 1:52am

Also worth mentioning that the XM25 is a 2-hit rather than a 3-hit. Whenever people complain about snipers I always laugh and smoke the perp with the XM25.

and it's a OHK if you hit them with a direct impact. IIRC LevelCrap and Matimi0 ran the numbers, and the XM25 AIRBURST and SMOKE deal 75 damage on a direct impact, and that's before the explosive damage, I think.
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