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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 4:14am

Scope deviation

I've always wondered why RPK-12 is less accurate than SAR-21 even though these two guns share the similar spec.
Found out yesterday that each guns in BF4 have their unique scope deviation while doing this test.
The thing is, this 'scope deviation' has nothing to do with gun's recoil factor.

Try firing RPK-12, QBB-95-1, and UMP 45 with RDS at test range.
Then fire the AEK.
You will notice even though AEK have much higher recoil, the scope deviation is lot more stable on it.

I personally think this is a great way to balance guns, as AR should be the top prey while other guns should suffer from low-spec.

Generally, AR and Carbine have the best scope deviation while PDW and LMG have the worst.
However, there are still balance in between such as PP-2000 has very stable deviation while UMP-45 has the crazy one since it has better damage output.

I uploaded videos on Youtube, but it locks framerate of them at 30FPS so it won't prove anything...
Why not go give it a try? It's really easy to notice.

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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 9:28am

scope deviation

what exactly do you mean by scope deviation, the "visual recoil"?
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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:10am

Visual recoil? Is that how it's called?
I was referring to the red dot going left to right or up and down when you fire your weapon.
I remember the scope sways as exact to the recoil back in BF3, but in BF4 red dot shakes not only because of recoil, but because of gun factor.

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QBB and QBZ are of extreme degrees on this example. It's like an earthquake when you shoot that gun.

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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:15am

It is called visual recoil. It moves the image of the sight around independent of the actual aimpoint. That means that it'll only work on people who can't tell where the center of their screen is. It is an illusion, nothing more. If you really think it impacts gameplay, you are mistaken.
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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:20am

the "visual recoil"?

It is called visual recoil

I love how a term that I invented is now actually being used by other people :love: TEEHEE :D

But yeh, the visual recoil is another factor in bf4. Your sight will bounce like a idiot, but it does not actually statistically do anything. It's purely visual, and your shots will NOT go towards the red dot. They will go straight to the middle of the screen.
Use a laser sight (preferably green) and you'll see the difference. laser = real aimpoint

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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:21am

@Sheepnub

You didn't invent it. The term was on the CoD wiki long before you wrote it down here. And as for your last statement, that's funny coming from you. :thumbsup:
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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:22am

@Sheepnub

You didn't invent it. The term was on the CoD wiki long before you wrote it down here.

seriously?o.O

...there goes my 20 seconds of fame :c

Anyhow, offtopic blahblah...i think we have like a gazillion topics about this

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Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:27am

It is called visual recoil. It moves the image of the sight around independent of the actual aimpoint. That means that it'll only work on people who can't tell where the center of their screen is. It is an illusion, nothing more. If you really think it impacts gameplay, you are mistaken.

1. Wouldn't it have a fuckton of impact on gameplay if one was to use the red dot (for RDS) as an indication on how to compensate for recoil?
2. If one compensates recoil by re-aiming the red dot on target, how fast are the visual misplacement effects replacement by true modification/indication of the true aimpoint?
3. If you guys don't use the actual sights for recoil compensation and keeping the aim on target, how do you do it?

The fact that the true aimpoint moves much less than the RDS-indicated aimpoint is so evident in the movement of static surrounds...

before even needing to edit, damn you're fast Sheep, so here's the question: can you really really in practise use the laser dot for aiming (as in actually seeing in in-game)?
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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:28am

before even needing to edit, damn you're fast Sheep, so here's the question: can you really really in practise use the laser dot for aiming (as in actually seeing in in-game)?

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Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Thursday, January 23rd 2014, 10:34am

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I'd like to take this moment to thank my best friend. Although he disappears from time to time, I know he'll come when I call for help. He is the one that guides my shot placement, and he is turning more and more famous. Without him, modern shooters would be nothing. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, BOYS AND GIRLS, could we please have a round of applause FOR~

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On a serious note, there are three reasons - aside from Hit Markers - why I feel visual recoil isn't something to worry about. Note that this is extremely subjective and based on observations from my playstyle.

1) All I do is tap fire and microburst. I don't see the effects of visual recoil very often.

2) On top of that, I only use IRON SIGHTS and from what I can tell, the front sight does not move whatsoever. The rear sight wiggles around, but that's not where I should be focusing.

3) Round impacts. I can tell where my bullets are hitting by observing the particle effects from impacts. Coupled with microbursts and tap fire, I usually only see blood flying out of my target.
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With this, I'll rid MGO3 of infestation. Sans bad gameplay MGO3 will be torn asunder. And then it shall be free. People will suffer, of course - a phantom pain.

Reddit and Konami will rewrite the records... And I will be demonized in human memory. But... The thirst for good gameplay that I have planted will infest MGO3. No one can stop it now. The Rebalance Mod will unleash that thirst unto the future.


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