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Friday, December 13th 2013, 5:14pm

I am only arguing for nerfing the UCAV instead of deliberately overnerfing it. Asking for DICE to deliberately overnerf something only shows that you are being overly emotional and letting that that interfere with your objectivity. You can be how pissed about weapon/gadget/vehicle x you wan't but nerfing it into the ground is not the way to go.



the UCAV is almost completely copy+pasted from MOH:WF, where it was a killstreak reward for one of the classes. in that game, depending on how well you are doing, you'd get to use it every 15 minutes or so, ONCE. it has now being brought to BF4, practically unchanged, to a class that can replenish its own ammo. even without using the glitch, it can be fired once every 20 seconds. it should be obvious as to why it is broken.

the UCAV should've never been in the game. my experience has shown me that such a weapon simply cannot be balanced: it is extremely easy to use, it has no counters, and it completely invalidates numerous other options with its mere presence. a weapon like this is either viable, in which case it is overpowered. or, it is not viable, and therefore useless. there is no middle ground. there is no state in which the UCAV can be considered balanced.

it is a mechanic designed for another game, and is fundamentally broken no matter what you do to it. since removing it entirely is not possible, i'd settle for nerfing it into uselessness.

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Friday, December 13th 2013, 5:17pm

@C0llis

I think you misread the posts. They're not calling for and overnerf, they're saying that they would prefer it if it was overnerfed compared to how it is now.
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Friday, December 13th 2013, 5:23pm

And to all of you who "would rather get overnerfs than what we have now". Really? How old are you, you sound like a bunch of children who fell in the stairs and want to punch and burn down the stairs as "revenge".

a useless gadget is better than one that destroys the game

I haven't ever been incapable of playing because of xm25 smoke, or the sar-21. But when UCAV-spam is going on...

Why would the SAR-21 and XM25 smoke prevent you from playing? Those things glitched, too?

I believe he's implying they're entirely useless, in which case I would concur.

^this.

Hence the "useless gadget is better than a gamebreaking one" statement. If you have 2 or 3 guys ucav-glitching in one server...may the lords 'o war have mercy on your soul
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Thanks for the heads up!
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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

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The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


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I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


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[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


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I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Friday, December 13th 2013, 5:35pm

@C0llis

I think you misread the posts. They're not calling for and overnerf, they're saying that they would prefer it if it was overnerfed compared to how it is now.

I agree completely that it would be better if it was overnerfed than not nerfed at all, but asking for something to be deliberately be nerfed into uselessness is something that belongs more on Battlelog than on Symthic. The best solution would obliviously to nerf it so that it was balanced, instead of useless, but if what tehmoriz says is true, then yes, it should be overnerfed, but I am not 100 % sure that is the case. The UCAV could fill a niche that is very well needed in this game and that is "roof-camper removal"; before the UCAV roof campers were being a large detriment to the gameplay and removing them was overly difficult (due to effectiveness of C4 camping + scarcity (and sometimes complette lack of) of helicopters on some maps etc), but after the UCAV that is no longer the case (which is a good thing).


Sure, overnerfed UCAV > current UCAV, but balanced UCAV > overnerfed UCAV, that's all I'm trying to say.

Things people said

And reading Youtube comments still gives me Turbo Cancer.

It really is quite frustrating when Helen Keller sets up her LMG in the only doorway in/out of an area.

What kind of question is that? Since when is cheese ever a bad idea?

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

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Friday, December 13th 2013, 5:35pm

but balanced UCAV > overnerfed UCAV, that's all I'm trying to say.

i doubt anyone will disagree with that
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Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Friday, December 13th 2013, 5:38pm

would it not be an easy nerf to fix that instant reload glitch thingy and increase the normal reload time?

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Friday, December 13th 2013, 6:10pm

but asking for something to be deliberately be nerfed into uselessness is something that belongs more on Battlelog than on Symthic.


No problem , here's my objective view on how to balance the UCAV; one per life, or 3min reload, or it get's moved into the Squad upgrade section and it becomes unlockable as part of the upgrade tree, the very end of the upgrade tree.

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Friday, December 13th 2013, 6:11pm

The UCAV is fine until you add the instant reload glitch, then it becomes an instrument of Armageddon.
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Friday, December 13th 2013, 6:16pm

Sure, overnerfed UCAV > current UCAV, but balanced UCAV > overnerfed UCAV, that's all I'm trying to say.

How about overnerfed UCAV vs. slightly OP UCAV? :P

I'd probably take the latter. Useless gadgets are lame.

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Friday, December 13th 2013, 6:29pm

"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

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