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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:10pm

Poll: How would you like DMR's to get changed?

What do you think would be wise to rebalance DMRs?

Available choices for this poll are 6

Hey there all,

So Demize tweeted that DMR's will get changed when the game becomes more stable, so..let's get the real speculation going! I decided to make this poll in order to see what the majority of you guys think would be good for DMR's.
There has been a lot of discussion about them so far, both on battlelog and on our forums. Everyone should have had enough time now to make up his/her own opinion.

I added some of the most important balancing options, to see what most people would settle with.
I, however, heavily request anyone to please stay objective and not simply go for the most powerful options just because you like DMR's. Try to remain objective, gentlemen.

You're free to choose multiple things, but try to limit yourself to (for example) 1 head option, 1 chest option, etc.
Please do try to fill in all sections though

I'm honestly interested in the results :)
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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about

This post has been edited 4 times, last edit by "Sheepnub" (Dec 10th 2013, 3:25pm)


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:21pm

interesting....not sure what I would choose yet so I'll keep thinking on it

but I'll add to the discussion:

If/when changes are made, I personally think the suppression (including that ridiculous whip-cracking sound) needs to be toned down. Agree/Disagree? It's just silly, especially in closer ranges (why is a guy with a pew-pew DMR scaring my soldier more than the guy with an LMG)

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:24pm

interesting....not sure what I would choose yet so I'll keep thinking on it

Keep in mind, you CAN change your vote after voting :)

I'll add a suppression option

*be sure to re-vote to add to the suppression option guys :)
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:26pm

You forgot about the most important thing: SPREAD INCREASE !
It has to be buffed ASAP!
I vote for that.
Also change the f.ing sound of DMRs. Now they sound like crap.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:27pm

You forgot about the most important thing: BUFF SPREAD INCREASE !
I vote for that .

We went over this. Spread increase is barely important for long-range effectiveness, and would only result in better close-range spam. It's stupid to assume spread increase is important for DMR's their overall use, unlike how it affects AR's.

Spoiler Spoiler

Unless more people wish to promote DMR's as semi-shotties?
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:28pm

You forgot about the most important thing: BUFF SPREAD INCREASE !
I vote for that .

We went over this. Spread increase is barely important for long-range effectiveness, and would only result in better close-range spam. It's stupid to assume spread increase is important for DMR's their overall use, unlike how it affects AR's.
Seriously ? Have you ever played DMR ? I doubt after reading your post.
Spread increase is factor that is crucial to this weapon.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:30pm

You forgot about the most important thing: BUFF SPREAD INCREASE !
I vote for that .

We went over this. Spread increase is barely important for long-range effectiveness, and would only result in better close-range spam. It's stupid to assume spread increase is important for DMR's their overall use, unlike how it affects AR's.
Seriously ? Have you ever played DMR ? I doubt after reading your post.

Yes, yes I have. And I do happen to also know the mechanics behind Spread Increase, good sir.

Now, if more people wish DMR's would act like semi-shotties up close by reducing the spread increase then I'll add that in (as this is a voting, where free will should thrive). But until then, I'm keeping that option out of it (partly to protect people from their own ignorance negatively affecting the game)
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Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:31pm

Two ways would I balance DMR's:

1st:
-Changing the Headshot multiplier to reward aimed shots rather than spam
-Slightly reducing both V and H-recoil
-Increasing RoF (for the sake of pushing optimal-spread RoF up)

2nd:
-Moderately reducing both V and H-recoil
-Increasing RoF (same reason as above)
-Renaming the weapon class from "DMR" to "Battle Rifles" in order to highlight their lack of sniper-rifle's performance... sure that the MK11, M39 and the others aren't Battle-rifles but neither the AS-Val is a PDW, also, because the weapon class' name makes litte sense for it to be given to anybody else than Recons

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:34pm

You forgot about the most important thing: BUFF SPREAD INCREASE !
I vote for that .

We went over this. Spread increase is barely important for long-range effectiveness, and would only result in better close-range spam. It's stupid to assume spread increase is important for DMR's their overall use, unlike how it affects AR's.
Seriously ? Have you ever played DMR ? I doubt after reading your post.
Spread increase is factor that is crucial to this weapon.



if you can't add any meaningful discussion here, then don't bother posting. there are tons of other DMR threads to rant in

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:42pm

Two ways would I balance DMR's:

1st:
-Changing the Headshot multiplier to reward aimed shots rather than spam
-Slightly reducing both V and H-recoil
-Increasing RoF (for the sake of pushing optimal-spread RoF up)

2nd:
-Moderatedly reducing both V and H-recoil
-Increasing RoF (same reason as above)
-Renaming the weapon class from "DMR" to "Battle Rifles" in order to highlight their lack of sniper-rifle's performance... sure that the MK11, M39 and the others aren't Battle-rifles but neither the AS-Val is a PDW, also, because the weapon class' name makes litte sense for it to be given to anybody else than Recons

DMR is a common term in military, so I don't see a need to go that far

anyway, I agree - whatever changes are made, I am an advocate of making them more "Marksman" (as in rewarding accuracy) rather than the spam-rifles they are now. because truth be told, everybody spam-fires them as they are now.

Increasing damage imo is the wrong way to do it. 50% or more BF players are more than capable of landing ~3 hits at range and 2 hits at close range - if that was BTK, everyone would use it. the TTK at close range would be stupidly short (on par with automatic weapons probably) and needing only 3 (body) hits just doesn't feel that demanding - I could see why Demize said everybody would run them.

I wouldn't mind RoF increase as long as spread recovery doesn't match it - again, all for the sake of making DMR's less spammy