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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 2:14pm

Weapon popularity charts

I'm copycatting the concept from J0hn-Stuart-Mill, from his old thread Weapon Popularity by Platform. All credits for the idea go to him.

Why did I do this?
I'm simply curious for how the playerbase is responding to the different balancing concept that dice tried out in bf4 (ease of use weapons vs effectiveness, while reducing the amount of 'useless' weapons). There are actually quite a few interesting results because of this.
I decided to do this now, to make sure that the second-assault DLC doesn't come to mess things up. Plus...I'm too damn impatient.

How did I do it?
I did this differently from j0hn. He did it very VERY extensively (taking thousands of people in account, with a certain kill-treshold), I merely took the total amount of kills of the top #50 users from a certain weapon (from bf4stats.com). Doing this I already had 4.685 lines of data (no joke), and no way I'm going to turn that into 50.000 or so :P So, extra credits to j0hn for putting so much work in his old charts.

Important notes:
1) While this does generally give a good example of weapon popularity, it isn't nowhere near as accurate as j0hn's charts. So please don't take this as super-serious scientifical evidence, but rather as a global indication :)
2) This is PC-platform only

Results per weapon-class:


Results for class-gadgets
NOTE: DEFIBS = KILLS, NOT REVIVES
I only added them for the lulz ^^'

Class-gadgets (had to merge support and recon for obvious reasons.


Results comparing weapon-class & gadgets totals





Some interesting things:
AR's: Generally the better AR's seem to be used most oftenly, but the ak-12....wut? It's the very first weapon you unlock, and is the most accurate one. Yet it's barely used at all.
Also: nobody likes the qbz-95-1, NOBODY.
(I was actually quite surprised to see the #1 of the qbz-95-1....that man should be crowned the King of Hipsters)

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@rezal
why?


Carbines: acwr is king (as expected), with the ace-21 lacking behind a LOT (????), aku-12 not that popular (quite surprising), with the ak5c quite high on the top (because it's easy to use? Or one of the first unlocks?). The MTAR is catching up really REALLY quickly, considering it is still very new.

LMG: MG4 is king, as expected. Nothing really shocking here.

bolt-actions: SRR-61 be going all like YO I GOT THIS SHIT

PDW: Not surprised to see the cz-3a1 (magdump BEAST) and pdw-r (carbine'ish behavior that's really close to the ace21) on top.
^Note: For the p90 I excluded the #1 user (and took #2 to #51 instead)....that weirdo made up a solid 50% of the total amount of kills in the top: #50:|

pistols: the popularity of the m9 is quite odd, but i guess that might be nostalgia. The 93r is beast, as expected. Revolvers...RIP revolvers. But the really weird thing is how the more accurate pistols (compact-45, mp443 and the fn57) are not really that much more popular. But then again: Pistols are a bitch to unlock right now, so most people might stick to the early-gained pistols.

Shotties: Offcourse the most powerful (qbs-09) and the most spammy (dbv-12) are the most common ones. The 870 is sitting at a third place...gg defensive perk?

DMR: Not surprised too much. SKS spamspamspam, scar-h accurate spamspam. But..the ace-53 only at a fifth place? EXCUSE ME?!

Nades: well...lockerspam...

Launchers:
SRAW BEST RAW SRAW BEST RAW SRAW BEST RAW SRAW BEST RAW SRAW BEST RAW SRAW BEST RAW SRAW BEST RAW
IGLA vs Stinger: The IGLA seems to be WAY less popular, much less than I would have ever expected. I guess the shoot-and-hide concept of the stinger is more appealing to most people
The SMAW isn't as popular as I would have expected. The RPG will probably stand at its spot because of locker, with the LAW being the most oftenly used against armor (my guess). Which is quite weird. I'd have never expected ease-of-use to affects usage this much

Total:
Pistols are used more frequently than shotties and DMR's
Let me repeat that

FREAKING PISTOLS!

DMR's make up 4.6% of total usage. Yeh, sure demize. DMR's are fine bro! Totally fair allkit weapon, absolutely!


*i've gotta go for now. I'll do some (more serious) observations later on. Until then: Enjoy y'all!

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Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about

This post has been edited 18 times, last edit by "Sheepnub" (Dec 11th 2013, 7:05pm)


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 2:32pm

Nice work! Hipsters take note :D

I think pistols are probably used so much because almost everyone at some point went on a pistol-unlocking spree and played for a day or two with nothing but pistols.

  • AR distribution is as expected. I chuckle when recalling how people moaned about how "OP" the AK-12 was in the beta, and then seeing its place now.
  • Carbine distribution is also fairly unsurprising. The AK5C is the first carbine unlock, so that may be why it's so high (and it's very easy to use). Once people more get China Rising I think the MTAR is going to rival the ACW-R - perhaps even overtaking it once people figure out which is the best in the high-RPM class (and thus no need to use the inferior choice).
  • As for LMGs, well, I personally can't understand why people prefer the PKP over the M240, but each to their own. Funny to see how the MG4 is on top of the M249 when it's almost statistically the same. Guess many people do actually visit this site and look at recoil numbers. Or perhaps they just don't bother unlocking the M249 through the singleplayer campaign.
  • The SRR-61 is so clearly above any of the other long range bolt actions that it's not even funny. DICE needs to look at this.
  • Genuinely surprised to see the QBU-88 languishing at the very bottom of the DMR list, below stinkers like the RFB and the SVD-12.
  • The grenade distribution confirms my suspicion that no one in their right mind would use the regular frag grenades once the minis or impact grenades are unlocked. This goes double for hardcore, of course. The frag grenades really need a buff, or the other ones a nerf.
  • Funny how people continue to use the RPG so much when the SRAW deals pretty much equal damage and is vastly easier to hit with.
PS: since you've done the engineer launchers, could you also look at the assault, support and recon gadgets? I realize only some of them can be used to kill with, so I suppose the non-damaging ones cannot be included.

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:33pm

PS: since you've done the engineer launchers, could you also look at the assault, support and recon gadgets? I realize only some of them can be used to kill with, so I suppose the non-damaging ones cannot be included.

I had assumed they would not be as interesting, but sure. Give me a few minutes :)
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Best of epic quotes :D

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Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 3:42pm

Wow. That Igla usage.

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:18pm

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Gadgets have been added :>

Please take note how the UCAV already has more kills than the xm25 airburst... :rolleyes:
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:25pm

No one likes dat MASS... ... ... .
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:25pm

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Gadgets have been added :>

Please take note how the UCAV already has more kills than the xm25 airburst... :rolleyes:

Thanks! And yes, I was initially curious about how well the UCAV/SUAV were doing. No surprises there.

However, I'm amazed at how popular the M320 LVG is! That thing was a really rare sight in BF3, so I'm startled that it's at 52% while the HE (which is an automatic unlock as well) is sitting at 20%. Is it that much better in BF4?

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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:27pm

No one likes dat MASS... ... ... .

Yup...-33% dmg from def perk, crappy low dmg, crappy pellet spread :|

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@jais

Gadgets have been added :>

Please take note how the UCAV already has more kills than the xm25 airburst... :rolleyes:

Thanks! And yes, I was initially curious about how well the UCAV/SUAV were doing. No surprises there.

However, I'm amazed at how popular the M320 LVG is! That thing was a really rare sight in BF3, so I'm startled that it's at 52% while the HE (which is an automatic unlock as well) is sitting at 20%. Is it that much better in BF4?

I'm not sure how it compares to bf3, but it makes sense. The LVG seems to have a lot more power behind it, you can bounce it off walls a LOT better than in bf3. Making it good for metro locker
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Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about


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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:33pm

Wait, defensive functionally adds health? Well that's lame and blatantly OP.
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Tuesday, December 10th 2013, 4:35pm

Wait, defensive functionally adds health? Well that's lame and blatantly OP.

Yes but it's not that severe, I worked that one out earlier on: btk-ttk-worked-out-including-def-perk-with-comparison

Take close note at the BTK difference, and TTK difference.
"I put aside a few sceptics, the types of decency in the history of philosophy: the rest haven't the slightest conception of intellectual integrity."
Friedrich Nietzsche


Best of epic quotes :D

Spoiler Spoiler

Just realized it's 4/20 tomorrow


Thanks for the heads up!
*Logs out of Symthic in preparation*

Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:
"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.


The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night ;(


About hunturk:
I don't know what's funnier, the video itself of the fact that an unlisted video has more views than most of your normal videos :P

...


You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

[context] Maybe it's the UK's overly aggressive porn filter at work. After all, it does have the word "monkey" in it and monkeys have been known to have sex so...


Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"


I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!


But but but

He's a Youtuber ;(

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about