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Friday, November 14th 2014, 1:57am

Even if it did get fixed, I've always preferred belt-feeder or SOFLAM for my gunner to run personally; on console you have to play very conservatively in a MBT or IFV because DICE artificially limits controller turning speeds on any vehicle (4 years later and still no slider to control sensitivity).
Wouldn't console turret speed make prox even more "mandatory", seeing how it allows you to better keep track of your surroundings and is a great early warning system against C4 runners?


On a map like Dawnbreaker or Siege sure because there's simply no way to avoid C4 players but the big tanking maps where I normally go if I'm in the mood for vehicle play like Goldmond/Silk Road/Rogue Transmission ect, you just make the choice to avoid directly entering caps. You can't get C4ed if your flanks are open space which is pretty much required if you want to live more than a couple minutes. I'd imagine on PC this would annoy the hell out of your team providing firing support instead of directly killing enemies but it's pretty damn effective here.

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Friday, November 14th 2014, 2:28am

Even if it did get fixed, I've always preferred belt-feeder or SOFLAM for my gunner to run personally; on console you have to play very conservatively in a MBT or IFV because DICE artificially limits controller turning speeds on any vehicle (4 years later and still no slider to control sensitivity).
Wouldn't console turret speed make prox even more "mandatory", seeing how it allows you to better keep track of your surroundings and is a great early warning system against C4 runners?


On a map like Dawnbreaker or Siege sure because there's simply no way to avoid C4 players but the big tanking maps where I normally go if I'm in the mood for vehicle play like Goldmond/Silk Road/Rogue Transmission ect, you just make the choice to avoid directly entering caps. You can't get C4ed if your flanks are open space which is pretty much required if you want to live more than a couple minutes. I'd imagine on PC this would annoy the hell out of your team providing firing support instead of directly killing enemies but it's pretty damn effective here.

never purposely avoid capping flags in a tank.

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Friday, November 14th 2014, 2:32am


I assume your target audience is pub players who have little experience and have no idea what they are doing. People that don't know what they are doing have a tendency to simply make tanks an easier target. I am (along with anyone else who knows what they are doing) better off without a gunner that uses incendiary or shoots at random jets. Anytime the gunner is shooting, he is putting you on the minimap. That is bad. Not having the ability to see mines or infantry on the minimap is bad. The gunner seat is a support role, and as such should only be putting its effort into what will better serve the tank, and ultimately the team.

Sure, there are situations where it is okay to shoot at air vehicles, or play less of a support role. However, the gunners that can recognize these situations, and actually perform, do not need your guide.


You're right that for the current parts of my guide it's aimed towards newer gunners. However, I am planning a Part 3 which deals with advanced stuff for the more experienced gunners. I'm kind of trying to cater to the experienced guys as well - which is why there's stuff like rocketing jihads in Part 1 and chopper-shooting in Part 2. All part of the gradual progression to advanced gunnery. Maybe I should have made Part 1 and 2 totally for newbies, laid down the hammer and told them to run prox or die, but I didn't want to turn off people who had different ideas about gunning or limit people's choices unnecessarily.

That said... I agree with your reasoning, and what you've said is reflected in the guides itself - I preface the whole series saying that gunning is mostly tank support, not personal glory, and I emphasize constantly how watching out for enemies is always high priority, including the sections where I discuss shooting choppers and light vehicles. Maybe I should have done that a bit more.

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Overall, even though I am being highly critical and blatantly opinionated, the guide isn't bad. The purpose is noble, and explaining things as clearly as you did is a great start for anyone looking for information. Significantly better than this site's current vehicle section. Hopefully that will get changed soon. ;)


Thanks. This is way better criticism than what I've been getting on average from the Battlelog forums :)



Even if it did get fixed, I've always preferred belt-feeder or SOFLAM for my gunner to run personally; on console you have to play very conservatively in a MBT or IFV because DICE artificially limits controller turning speeds on any vehicle (4 years later and still no slider to control sensitivity).
Wouldn't console turret speed make prox even more "mandatory", seeing how it allows you to better keep track of your surroundings and is a great early warning system against C4 runners?


On a map like Dawnbreaker or Siege sure because there's simply no way to avoid C4 players but the big tanking maps where I normally go if I'm in the mood for vehicle play like Goldmond/Silk Road/Rogue Transmission ect, you just make the choice to avoid directly entering caps. You can't get C4ed if your flanks are open space which is pretty much required if you want to live more than a couple minutes. I'd imagine on PC this would annoy the hell out of your team providing firing support instead of directly killing enemies but it's pretty damn effective here.


Console tanking is kind of different from PC tanking in some significant ways, and I think tanks' amplified weaknesses in close quarters is one of them. I think you either have to play quite conservative or run prox 100% of the time, because as c0llis has pointed out, turn speed limits situational awareness. Another tip I've heard from console gunners is to never shoot at the same targets as your driver and always point yourself at blind spots. This is good advice for PC gunners as well, but for consoles I believe it's practically a rule unless you're super conservative.

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Sunday, November 16th 2014, 8:10pm



It wasn't even that great, but in my defense, I was a bit drunk.

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You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

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Sunday, November 16th 2014, 8:14pm

It wasn't even that great, but in my defense, I was a bit drunk.

You did sound drunk.

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 3:16am

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"you obviously don't know what an argument is as there is only one person battling. Do you really fucking think I want subs? You think you can act all big and powerful just because you sit on a computer at least 6 hours a day like the probably nerdy unwanted retard you are with 4.3k subs? You think 4.3k subs is a lot? LOL you need medicine man. I don't want any subs as i just have a google account for other media and writing comments. Think twice before you act. You even said in your video you aren't that great of a player, and the comments agree you aren't. Maybe you should once again think twice before you act, stop being such an annoying, ignorant bastard that everyone wants to shut up, and god, literally, just shut up. Your voice gave me a headache :s"

"As a youtuber shouldn't be trying to be reeling in your viewers with exciting stuff being said not your boring ass commentary for your video"

"The more you watch his vid the dumber he gets I swear he's borderline autistic look I got shot behind cover beacuase thin sheets metal are unpenetrable. Bf4 is just as quiet and tactical as bf3 random explosion in the background . Player has dissconected from chat
You started playing bf3 and never touched bfc1/2. Please do yourself a favor and shutdown your generic cod channel down"

"Nice clickb8 Faggot w8ting for your shit tier video to disable comments . Fucking newfag cancer go play some cod you activisiom cock faggot"

"I don't see why he [MarbleDuck] always tries to shit on levelcap he is better and has a million more subs...and also "there isnt a best gun in she game there are guns that are better that others at different engagement distances" yes thats true and whichever is the best/most average at all of them is the "best gun""

"Marbleduck you don't know shit lol levelcap knows more than you do you cant talk about how someone puts up garbage when you do yourself your a newcomer to YouTube acting like you know shit step up in the food chain first then you have the right to talk otherwise your just a fish trying to compete with sharks"

"Why don't we just witness "LevelCap vs MarbleDuck" One on One both on Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 seen as there is so much Controversy about the Two Youtubers"

"stfu cunt, BF3 was way better end of discussion"

"Stfu man, you're be littleing the most looked upon Battlefield Youtuber. No one cares about you, how much of an ego you have, or quite frankly your opinion. It's a fucking game.... Does it really fucking matter? Pathetic man."

"fuck you asshole, dont talk shit about total"

"Wtf is your problem? You have no subs and he has millions, yet you pick on him like some kind of stubborn, ignorant, rude child born with a silver spoon is his mouth. It's easy to do that, for example... You said there was no background noise yet there is. You say you're a fairly good player, you're not."

"please talk like a normal person and not like a professional"

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 3:32am

I shouldn't advertise my videos on Symthic.

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 4:34am

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Creating an account specifically to post your youtube video isn't a good look bro..

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 4:42am

What video? :)

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Tuesday, December 9th 2014, 7:01am

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Nice. We should play more rush.

Karelia last base is horrible, though.
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