Your opinion on jets in bf4 everyone?

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 8:26pm

Just for illustration these two gameplays.
Battlefield 4 | Paracel Storm Conquest Large | F-35 Stealth Jet Gameplay - 1ron-tjunfisk - YouTube
Battlefield 4: 37-1 Attack Jet Gameplay - YouTube

First one being an f35 gameplay, the second a frogfoot gameplay.
So basically both pilots are well know and very very good. Tjunfisk hasnt played a lot recently, so he might be out of practise, whereas cg-matt plays a lot, mostly competitive. Compare the results!
Of course you will always get more kills and vehicle destroys in an attack jet, but there is some serious imbalance between the effectiveness of stealth and attack jets, which is not a result of the attack jets being overpowered, no way they are pretty well balanced. The main gun is not as powerful as in bf3, but you can still kill armor in one pass -> how it should be.
The stealth jets however seem extremely useless. The gun is extremely weak, also against air targets; you see tjunfisk doing only like 50 damage to a scout with very good aim. I am pretty sure it will not even be possible to kill air targets in one full burst of the gun (note that the gun of the ground attack jets shredds through air targets). The heatseakers are also useless as they do only 40 damage in two hits and two missiles is all you get.
Furthermore a friend of mine on battlelog told me that he was talking to cg-matt and he told him that the a10 actually can fly higher g manouvers than the f35 (it is the worst jet of all the jets in the game in terms of manouverability and will probably lose every dogfight if the enemy is skilled).
I see some serious balancing issues here, because i would have liked to be one jet superior vs gruond targets, the other one against air targets, but this is not the case. One seems useless, the other one is decent against air and good against ground targets.
Edit: yes i am upset. They give you those new babies called stealth jets and then they are useless ?

Edit 2....reference attack jet video by tjunfisk
Battlefield 4 | 46-0 Killstreak - A-10 Attack Jet Gameplay | Paracel Storm - 1ron-tjunfisk - YouTube

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 8:36pm

attack jets > stealth jets in EVERYTHING other than dogfighting. And if the stealth jets wins the dogfight, it takes him 10-15 seconds to kill the attack jets. I think it might actually shoot frozen peas.

Attack jets rip everything apart in seconds.

Dogfighting is impossible due to the retarded FOV

Quite unhappy with the balance, but oh well...BRB ATTACK JET RAPE

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 8:43pm

Quoted from "Sheepnub"

attack jets > stealth jets in EVERYTHING other than dogfighting. And if the stealth jets wins the dogfight, it takes him 10-15 seconds to kill the attack jets. I think it might actually shoot frozen peas.

Attack jets rip everything apart in seconds.

Dogfighting is impossible due to the retarded FOV

Quite unhappy with the balance, but oh well...BRB ATTACK JET RAPE

DICE needs to buff them in terms of their damage output. It takes them about 3 full seconds to kill an attack jet with the main gun.
The attack jets are pretty well balanced, i only would like to see a nerf in manouverability down to 8-9 g, while the stealth jets shold stay as they are. Oh yeah and the f35 should not be in the game ffs. It is not an air superiority fighter, the ff22 should be in for the us side

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 8:44pm

Quoted from "Thehaxusator"

The attack jets are pretty well balanced,

other than the fact that a full burst of your cannon only takes away 40 health of an mbt yes.

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 8:48pm

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Quoted from "Thehaxusator"

The attack jets are pretty well balanced,

other than the fact that a full burst of your cannon only takes away 40 health of an mbt yes.

From what i saw they seem fine

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 8:49pm

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The attack jets are pretty well balanced,

other than the fact that a full burst of your cannon only takes away 40 health of an mbt yes.

From what i saw they seem fine

lol no

have you flewn one yourself yet?

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 9:11pm

Nope thx to ea policiei havent, so you actually shiuld Know more. i am only judging from Video Material. as for the field of view...is it even less than in bf3 :/?
edit beware, writing this on my Mobile lol

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 9:30pm

Quoted from "Thehaxusator"

as for the field of view...is it even less than in bf3 :/?

the camera follows you wherever you go, in a weird spot, so that you get disorientated really quickly

just compare the third-person view of those guys, with bf3 dogfights. you'll see the difference

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Hardline is a fun and sometimes silly Cops and Robbers sorta thing and I think that's great. Or it would be if it didn't suck.

Quoted from "Miffyli"

>littlebird passanger, semi-auto frag rounds
>gunship OP

Meanwhile at DICE-headquarters during BF4's release:

Quoted from "Aenonar"

I'm pretty sure there's a massive post-it on every desk "DON'T FUCKING TOUCH ANYTHING THAT IS ACTUALLY DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING"

UCAV:

Quoted from "crashmatusow"

"Hey guys remember how stupid prenerf mav was?"

"Lets add c4 to it."

Quoted from "The World Champion"

The World Champion went to China once.

They called me a Gweilo.

So I kicked a big fucking hole in their wall and let all the Mongolians in.

just thought I'd share.

Quoted from "ViperFTW"

The thought of Assaults running out of ACE 23 rounds mid firefight, Engineers facing the rear of an unaware MBT with no rockets left, Recons unable to...Whatever the fuck they do. These are the things that keep me up at night

About hunturk:

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You just live to hit people upside the noggin with a Math Bomb, don't you?

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Quoted from "C0llis"

Previously, at DICE HQ:
"Ok guys, the password is "epic dream worlds"; everyone take a letter and do your best to turn it into into something random that we can put into a picture!"

Quoted from "ToTheSun!"

Quoted from "Nick 30075"

I assume a functional game (BF4) also.

Aww!
*pinches cheeks*
So cute!

Quoted from "NoctyrneSAGA"

But but but

He's a Youtuber

There's no way he doesn't know what he's talking about

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Tuesday, October 29th 2013, 11:18pm

I would rather take one of those CAS jets into a dogfight, every time. An observant CAS pilot is never going to let a spawning fighter get behind him, he will just head-on overpower the fighter before they even make it into the AO.